Could signing Okung mean that both Daley and Moton are sliding inside?

[bababoey]

Kind of what I was thinking all along.  Okung LT, Little LG, Paradis C, Daley RG,  Moton RT.  All that could change after the draft but I would be surprised if we drafted a tackle early, if at all.  G,C type pick seems much more possible.  Let Little learn what he can from Okung and hope he is ready for LT 2021.  Not saying that is what I would do but I think that is there thinking.

[jumpman910]

10 hours ago, Shocker said:

Seriously doubted Hurney would pick LT in round 1 but now its pretty certain.

Always doubted it.

It would immediately undermine his trade up the previous year for his guy. 

[TheRed]

We needed tackle depth, now we have more.

If it doesn't work out we keep looking like we have been the better part of the last decade aside from that brief period of time where we had Oher in place before the injuries.

[Icege]

2 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Why do that when we already have a perfectly capable RT in Moton available right now?

It just seems counterproductive and adding an extra step/variable into the O-line equation. 

Moton is a known commodity at RT, and he's good at it. Why make RT weaker just to make RG just as strong as it was last year if it's easier to replace RG than RT?

Add into that, playing LT and RT are like shooting free throws or wiping your ass with the opposite hand. Sure you can kind of do it, but if you haven't been practicing then you'll be at a distinct disadvantage and look worse than you might actually be due to inexperience. 

It just doesn't make sense to me. 

Remember last year when some posters were INSISTING that Moton was going to be moved to LG?

Good times.

[LinvilleGorge]

I hope we move Little inside to OG. I'm not sold on it working out, but moving him inside could allow Hurney to save face on that trade up and keep OT on the board at #7. This is the strongest OT class in recent memory and Okung is a 31 year old bandaid while both he and Moton are only on one year deals. OT at #7 needs to be in play.

[Waldo]

49 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I hope we move Little inside to OG. I'm not sold on it working out, but moving him inside could allow Hurney to save face on that trade up and keep OT on the board at #7. This is the strongest OT class in recent memory and Okung is a 31 year old bandaid while both he and Moton are only on one year deals. OT at #7 needs to be in play.

Your logic has no place in Hurney world, where a 26 year old 5 time probowler (can't say with a straight face) is worth an injured 31 year old LT with a 1 year contract at face value. I expect a LT in this draft like I expect that 3rd or 4th round pick from the Turner trade to show up now. The injury prone 2nd year player he picked will just fill that spot and when that goes they way it's heading we will have to pick a new LT hope in a draft with bad LTs instead of this one with quality and depth at that position. #HurnyiaPain 

[mc52beast]

See a lot of discussion about Little playing OG, which means Hurney moved up in the draft for a guard.

[TheRed]

16 minutes ago, Waldo said:

a 26 year old 5 time probowler (can't say with a straight face) is worth an injured 31 year old LT with a 1 year contract at face value.

One thing I love about the carolinahuddle is how seamlessly things like pro bowl appearances go from being entirely useless in assessing players to being the prevailing reason we were fleeced in a trade.

Also, from what I've read on twitter, Trai wanted a new contract from the Panthers before all this.

[Waldo]

Just now, TheRed said:

One thing I love about the carolinahuddle is how seamlessly things like pro bowl appearances go from being entirely useless in assessing players to being the prevailing reason we were fleeced in a trade.

Also, from what I've read on twitter, Trai wanted a new contract from the Panthers before all this.

Because after his contract his probowl votes came from others droping out and name recognition? Still, not bad but not great since the ink dried. He used to be a beast but hasn't been that for some time. I do not have a problem with trading him, it's the value we got out of the trade. A good/solid OG should at least net more than cap space. 

[TheRed]

Just now, Waldo said:

Because after his contract his probowl votes came from others droping out and name recognition? Still, not bad but not great since the ink dried. He used to be a beast but hasn't been that for some time. I do not have a problem with trading him, it's the value we got out of the trade. A good/solid OG should at least net more than cap space. 

If he truly wanted a new contract before all this I could see how that would hamper the ability for the team to get better value out of it, don't you think? Who would be foolish enough to give us a pick and give him a new contract?

Besides as others have noted, if you are a team seeking a solid left tackle, you are not acquiring one without taking something on the chin. Guys expecting us to have robbed the Chargers like we did the Bears with Olsen many years ago were always going to be disappointed. Left tackle is a blue chip position of need.

I still see us drafting another offensive lineman in April at some point though unless some stellar defensive prospects fall to us.

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

If he truly wanted a new contract before all this I could see how that would hamper the ability for the team to get better value out of it, don't you think? Who would be foolish enough to give us a pick and give him a new contract?

Besides as others have noted, if you are a team seeking a solid left tackle, you are not acquiring one without taking something on the chin. Guys expecting us to have robbed the Chargers like we did the Bears with Olsen many years ago were always going to be disappointed. Left tackle is a blue chip position of need.

I still see us drafting another offensive lineman in April at some point though unless some stellar defensive prospects fall to us.

And yet he is going to get that contract from the new team? Again, we didn't get anything of value except cap relief next offseson. The depth you speak of has to be healthy to be considered depth, unless you are counting depth of the insured reserve? 

We have had plenty of LTs recently and none were close to blue chip value. If this was the Olsen trade, we are the Bears is all I am saying. I would have considered a 5th not bad for them dumping another dead contract on us while they got a starter. I do understand the devaluation of Turner requesting a new contract but I think you over value what we got in return. 

After the Paridis debacle, I sadly wish you were right but I expect them to roll into next year with Little, Paridis and Okung as starters. 

 

[TheRed]

10 minutes ago, Waldo said:

And yet he is going to get that contract from the new team? Again, we didn't get anything of value except cap relief next offseson. The depth you speak of has to be healthy to be considered depth, unless you are counting depth of the insured reserve? 

We have had plenty of LTs recently and none were close to blue chip value. If this was the Olsen trade, we are the Bears is all I am saying. I would have considered a 5th not bad for them dumping another dead contract on us while they got a starter. I do understand the devaluation of Turner requesting a new contract but I think you over value what we got in return. 

After the Paridis debacle, I sadly wish you were right but I expect them to roll into next year with Little, Paridis and Okung as starters.

In terms of the possible value we could have received under another scenario I suppose we could argue about that for days. What I would hope we can both agree on is it would have been a waste of resources to consider another contract for Turner. I say that reluctantly because I have always liked Trai. I wish him well in his future endeavors. But this split was inevitable with all our needs, some of them being pretty dire.

As far as the health concerns of Okung and Paradis, I'm right there with you. We really need a run of better luck with the OL. It's been a house of horrors for the last decade through two different GM's aside from 2015. Man are we due.

[Waldo]

3 minutes ago, TheRed said:

In terms of the possible value we could have possibly received under another scenario I suppose we could argue about that for days. What I would hope we can both agree on is it would have been a waste of resources to consider another contract for Turner. I say that reluctantly because I have always liked Trai. I wish him well in his future endeavors. But this split was inevitable with all our needs, some of them being pretty dire.

As far as the health concerns of Okung and Paradis, I'm right there with you. We really need a run of better luck with the OL. It's been a house of horrors for the last decade through two different GM's aside from 2015. Man are we due.

I completely agree with everything you said.

Picking up Okung hasn't given me any hope of positive change unfortunately. I am fully expecting more of last year with a new blocking scheme. 

[JARROD]

5 hours ago, bababoey said:

Kind of what I was thinking all along.  Okung LT, Little LG, Paradis C, Daley RG,  Moton RT.  All that could change after the draft but I would be surprised if we drafted a tackle early, if at all.  G,C type pick seems much more possible.  Let Little learn what he can from Okung and hope he is ready for LT 2021.  Not saying that is what I would do but I think that is there thinking.

That lineup is what I was thinking.