Hurney not.....bad???? Wut

[top dawg]

Meh.

Hurney has been about average! He's not great, but isn't nearly as bad as people try to make him.

Might I suggest that context is also very important when judging a GM. You must also look at the owner and the HC and the power dynamics within a particular situation.

 

[Madwolf]

I think the problem with Hurney is he still doesn't understand player value and cap management. He'll go out and overpay on a high risk, aging player to fill the role he just let a younger, cheaper guy walk away for in the last year or two. 

It's not that he's a terrible drafter, it's that he just mismanages so much of the roster when it comes to contracts and who take a risk on.

[Mr. Scot]

How exactly is three winning seasons out of thirteen "not that bad"?

[TheMaulClaw]

On 4/21/2020 at 1:20 PM, Mr. Scot said:

How exactly is three winning seasons out of thirteen "not that bad"?

I think its because 2015 was largely his team.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, TheMaulClaw said:

I think its because 2015 was largely his team.

That's actually been debunked numerous times.

[nationsford]

All that says is drafted players started ... more telling is that data mixed with win percentage

[Car123]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's actually been debunked numerous times.

Debunked by you? 

[thefuzz]

I'm not trying to pick on anyone in particular, but if most of you go through life thinking that Marty is average, and that's OK....so long as he hits on the 1st rounders so I know their names.....

I would really like to see how your spouses/GF's/BF's treat you.  I swear I think some of you are battered spouses.

3 winning seasons in 13.  No winning seasons in over a decade...but still has that job.

Sure my girl cheats on me, I have to pay her rent and bills, she's gained a ton of weight and screams at me all the time....but she let's me touch it once a month....so here we are.

[TheMaulClaw]

9 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's actually been debunked numerous times.

Lol...how? 

[rippadonn]

Marty Hurney drafted all the Panther greats as well as DJ Moore, Brian Burns and Action Jackson recently.

I'm letting him steer the ship and telling chef Rhule to fire up the BBQ and tell Joe Brady to man the grill because Marty is gonna serve up his last QB.

[Mr. Scot]

14 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Lol...how? 

Seriously?

I remember someone a while back took a look at those rosters and analyzed how many players from each GM there were, but it's not really necessary to go that far if you just use common sense.

Does Marty get credit for the 2013 season? What about the 2014 season where we had a losing record but made the playoffs anyway? Or is it only 2015 that matters? What about 2016? After all, those same core players were still on the team.

And if we're going to use this standard, then you have to go back and look at how many players on the 2003 squad came from George Seifert. That would effectively nullify the one credit I think Hurney actually does deserve. That is unless you're just trying to be stupid, of course.

And praytell, how is it that Marty gets credit for those post firing seasons but somehow doesn't take blame for the four straight losing seasons that preceded that run? Lemme guess, it's the coaches fault, right? Funny thing how that same coach suddenly started winning when a new GM took over (and started losing again when the old GM came back).

The reality is that once a GM has full control and a full offseason, it's his roster. And the full roster is what matters, not just the best players. A team is made up of fifty plus guys, not six to ten. And as Fuzz pointed out above, Marty's rosters got us three winning seasons out of thirteen. Gettleman equalled that in five. But hey, at least those sh-tty seasons got us some of our best players, right?

Yeesh 

Bottom Line: The whole suggestion that Hurney deserves credit for a team that was built three years after he was fired is one of the dumbest things this board has ever seen. There are only a very few people who still try to defend Marty in general, and dome of them are just doing it to be internet a--holes, but hey I guess he's still got one or two true believers.

I'm sure somewhere out there, there are people who think Pauly Shore is a good actor too.

[Car123]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Seriously?

I remember someone a while back took a look at those rosters and analyzed how many players from each GM there were, but it's not really necessary to go that far if you just use common sense.

Does Marty get credit for the 2013 season? What about the 2014 season where we had a losing record but made the playoffs anyway? Or is it only 2015 that matters? What about 2016? After all, those same core players were still on the team.

And if we're going to use this standard, then you have to go back and look at how many players on the 2003 squad came from George Seifert. That would effectively nullify the one credit I think Hurney actually does deserve. That is unless you're just trying to be stupid, of course.

And praytell, how is it that Marty gets credit for those post firing seasons but somehow doesn't take blame for the four straight losing seasons that preceded that run? Lemme guess, it's the coaches fault, right? Funny thing how that same coach suddenly started winning when a new GM took over (and started losing again when the old GM came back).

The reality is that once a GM has full control and a full offseason, it's his roster. And the full roster is what matters, not just the best players. A team is made up of fifty plus guys, not six to ten. And as Fuzz pointed out above, Marty's rosters got us three winning seasons out of thirteen. Gettleman equalled that in five. But hey, at least those sh-tty seasons got us some of our best players, right?

Yeesh 

Bottom Line: The whole suggestion that Hurney deserves credit for a team that was built three years after he was fired is one of the dumbest things this board has ever seen. There are only a very few people who still try to defend Marty in general, and dome of them are just doing it to be internet a--holes, but hey I guess he's still got one or two true believers.

I'm sure somewhere out there, there are people who think Pauly Shore is a good actor too.

If Cam were still in his prime we would have been in contention in ‘18 and ‘19. Simple as that.

[TheMaulClaw]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Seriously?

I remember someone a while back took a look at those rosters and analyzed how many players from each GM there were, but it's not really necessary to go that far if you just use common sense.

Does Marty get credit for the 2013 season? What about the 2014 season where we had a losing record but made the playoffs anyway? Or is it only 2015 that matters? What about 2016? After all, those same core players were still on the team.

And if we're going to use this standard, then you have to go back and look at how many players on the 2003 squad came from George Seifert. That would effectively nullify the one credit I think Hurney actually does deserve. That is unless you're just trying to be stupid, of course.

And praytell, how is it that Marty gets credit for those post firing seasons but somehow doesn't take blame for the four straight losing seasons that preceded that run? Lemme guess, it's the coaches fault, right? Funny thing how that same coach suddenly started winning when a new GM took over (and started losing again when the old GM came back).

The reality is that once a GM has full control and a full offseason, it's his roster. And the full roster is what matters, not just the best players. A team is made up of fifty plus guys, not six to ten. And as Fuzz pointed out above, Marty's rosters got us three winning seasons out of thirteen. Gettleman equalled that in five. But hey, at least those sh-tty seasons got us some of our best players, right?

Yeesh 

Bottom Line: The whole suggestion that Hurney deserves credit for a team that was built three years after he was fired is one of the dumbest things this board has ever seen. There are only a very few people who still try to defend Marty in general, and dome of them are just doing it to be internet a--holes, but hey I guess he's still got one or two true believers.

I'm sure somewhere out there, there are people who think Pauly Shore is a good actor too.

Well I can't really put 2010 on Marty. We all know that JR kept Fox in a lame duck contract and didnt want to spend any money in lieu of the impending CBA.  Yeah Id also give credit for 2013, 2014, and 2015.  Not all the credit....more or less just some consideration.  Hes made some awful moves, but he also was responsible for Cam, Kuechly, Norman in those years where we won 3 straight NFC south titles.  Hurneys record as our active gm is 98-110.  Not great, but if you give him some consideration for establishing  a lot of the core during 2013 to 2015, and remove the 2010 mail it in year per JR you get an average gm. I think his actual body of work is just average. Not horrible. Not great.

 

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Car123 said:

If Cam were still in his prime we would have been in contention in ‘18 and ‘19. Simple as that.

Or perhaps if somebody had addressed the backup situation since it was known that Newton was dealing with injuries.