Greg Little (Now Off) PUP

[Waldo]

35 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

As long as Hurney is the GM, we should probably just start trading our second round picks away for whatever we can get.

LOL. It's ok, he is healthy now so all we need is three more years and he may be ready to contribute. 2.0 is fire!

 

[1of10Charnatives]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

As long as Hurney is the GM, we should probably just start trading our second round picks away for whatever we can get.

I got magic beans.

Have Hurney call me.

[1of10Charnatives]

1 hour ago, pantherclaw said:

6 pages of unsupported batching. 

Crickets when he passed his physical.  

fug people are dumb. 

I mean...

you're not wrong.

But if you're actually paying attention this should become fairly obvious by the time you reach age 12 if you're bright.

16 if you're average.

20 if you're slow.

Never if you're 4Corners.

[1of10Charnatives]

2 hours ago, Basbear said:

2 weeks is over/under for Littles next injury.

*takes the under and runs with it.*

[MHS831]

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

As long as Hurney is the GM, we should probably just start trading our second round picks away for whatever we can get.

I hope we do not say that in a few years about this draft---I LOVE our second round.

 

[stbugs]

5 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

6 pages of unsupported batching. 

Crickets when he passed his physical.  

fug people are dumb. 

And he’s still a backup tackle until maybe year 3. Still a terrible pick/trade up.

[stbugs]

5 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I hope we do not say that in a few years about this draft---I LOVE our second round.

 

Agreed. I will say that I hated getting Little and Grier with a 2nd and two 3rds when the Saints got a stud C/G and a now starting safety (they didn’t have a 3rd) and we got squadoosh.

Also, I think it was pretty apparent that the coaching staff gave Marty better direction this year.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I hope we do not say that in a few years about this draft---I LOVE our second round.

 

Me too. But I've loved some Hurney second rounders in the past too.

[top dawg]

On 7/31/2020 at 11:16 AM, mrcompletely11 said:

I thought/think the hope was that he could get some valuable time in to build some experience up whether backing okung up or playing guard (which I never understood why).  Now calling him a project seems like a best case scenario with him.  I may be mistaken but wasnt being motivated a knock on him coming out?   Freaking hurney and his trading up.

But again the to the bigger issue is that the basic depth on the oline is already evaporating. 

Little wasn't considered the quintessential "project!" He was one of the higher graded O-lineman of the class who needed the requisite time to develop like most lineman coming out. It's the injuries that are taking a toll on his real and perceived upside.

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As for Kubila and Otah, Kugbila was a project! Otah effectively had a catastrophic injury, but he was no project. Otah was legit!

[PanthersGTI]

Little lost some development time last season but it seems like he's good to go for this season. What's up with everyone giving up on a guy after his rookie year? Isn't giving someone 3 years pretty standard practice? Especially a guy who showed some promise as a rookie and had injuries derail his season. He played 220-240 snaps, that's it. This place is comical. The 24 hour overreaction is great, guy just needed the day to pass his physical and people acting like he blew out his knee for the 4th time. 

[stbugs]

3 hours ago, PanthersGTI said:

Little lost some development time last season but it seems like he's good to go for this season. What's up with everyone giving up on a guy after his rookie year? Isn't giving someone 3 years pretty standard practice? Especially a guy who showed some promise as a rookie and had injuries derail his season. He played 220-240 snaps, that's it. This place is comical. The 24 hour overreaction is great, guy just needed the day to pass his physical and people acting like he blew out his knee for the 4th time. 

3 years standard practice? For a guy you pick 37 and trade up for? The two guys (we had both in for private visits and they fit needs so not outlandish) we could have had with the two picks, Erik McCoy and Bobby Evans, started 23 games last year and are likely starting all year again this year.

Little started 3 games. Only 2 of the first 14 tackles* taken in the draft had 3 or less starts. Both taken about 60 picks after Little they started 0 and 3 games. The 11 other tackles started more games. The 2 tackles taken right before Little and the 3 taken right after started 16, 16, 15, 16 and 14 games.

It’s a complete fallacy that tackles and/or OL in general don’t start year 1. We were 100% planning on Little making an impact year 1 and he clearly didn’t and we traded Turner for Okung. It doesn’t get much clearer that he didn’t do well. Daley outperformed him as well.

* To make this analysis easier and hopefully not questionable, I used PFR as they had the draft/combine listed position as tackle.

[LinvilleGorge]

My expectations are nil, but it sure would be awesome if he became our first long-term answer at LT since Jordan Gross retired. Hell, honestly I'd settle for him being a good starter at OG.

[stbugs]

8 hours ago, top dawg said:

Little wasn't considered the quintessential "project!" He was one of the higher graded O-lineman of the class who needed the requisite time to develop like most lineman coming out. It's the injuries that are taking a toll on his real and perceived upside.

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As for Kubila and Otah, Kugbila was a project! Otah effectively had a catastrophic injury, but he was no project. Otah was legit!

Look at my post. Little underperformed almost every tackle taken into the 6th round. He also wasn’t as highly graded as you think. Someone with his size that’s highly ranked and a LT, doesn’t fall that far. I honestly think we could have gotten him at pick 77. He was passed over by everyone and we appeared to be the only team who really valued him high. Look at the guys who went in the 2nd after him. RT/G type guys to teams with LTs. Little had dropped out of most top 50 rankings after his terrible combine.

I will just ask you one question. Did you watch the OL position drills that were televised? I did and I know @ncfan and others did and we universally panned Little. I’m so happy that Burns dropped because @Verge said that if Burns was gone we would have taken Little at 16. And people think we didn’t expect him to start day 1. Back to my question. If you legitimately didn’t watch those position drills the higher grade was purely a pre-combine PFF based ranking and not the other 31 GMs rankings.

[stbugs]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

My expectations are nil, but it sure would be awesome if he became our first long-term answer at LT since Jordan Gross retired. Hell, honestly I'd settle for him being a good starter at OG.

At this point seeing the trade Turner for Okung, I’d be happy like you to see him actually become a good starter anywhere. Knowing we could have solidified C and RG with McCoy and Evans or had C and RT, if we don’t resign Moton, makes Little’s progress so far hurt the most. So many talented OL went after Little and we could have cherry picked 2 or 3 of them and instead got Little and Grier.