REPORT: Russell Okung isn't retiring.........(locked)

[ncstatekwi]

Its gonna be ok!!! Next year we draft Trevor Lawrence and 6 Offensive Linemen!!  All offensive draft baby!!

[panthers55]

49 minutes ago, Waldo said:

This was infecting Italy and spreading into the rest of Europe link in February. The idea business were not planing at this time of Covid-19 being an issue is ludicrous. By March 17th NC had closed bars and nightclubs which are still closed if a private club. The entire angle of Hurney getting a get out of jail free card for a dumb trade that could get worse is just false. 

I kind of hope he does retire, then we get a real good look at the available options and know if we need to upgrade this off season and not next year. So who plays LT if they were giving Little a look at OG back in March? Quoted

The trade was announced on March 4.

At that time we had 93,000 people worldwide with the virus. 2 more Americans died on the 2nd making a total of 11 and with very limited testing we weren't even reporting total infections at least in the 3 articles from that day I could find. Here is one of them.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-03/u-s-death-toll-rises-to-9-more-travel-curbs-seen-virus-update

The plan was shut down for a month, watch cases drop and open back up. Obviously reality was very different but to assume Hurney could know that the death toll would go from 11 to 160,000 in 3 1/2 months and shut down everything is ridiculous.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

The trade was announced on March 4.

At that time we had 93,000 people worldwide with the virus. 2 more Americans died on the 2nd making a total of 11 and with very limited testing we weren't even reporting total infections at least in the 3 articles from that day I could find. Here is one of them.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-03/u-s-death-toll-rises-to-9-more-travel-curbs-seen-virus-update

The plan was shut down for a month, watch cases drop and open back up. Obviously reality was very different but to assume Hurney could know that the death toll would go from 11 to 160,000 in 3 1/2 months and shut down everything is ridiculous.

We're you listening to epidemiologists or politicians? Because epidemiologists were never saying this.

[stbugs]

1 hour ago, t96 said:

Nobody in the world could’ve predicted on March 4th how the coronavirus would play out. And we still can’t. I was going to live games later than that in March.

Lol. Really? Colleges and schools were shut down within a couple weeks of March 4th. Are you trying to say that on March 4th no one was thinking about CV being a problem for sports when our local school’s sports teams were finished for spring within two weeks.

I’m glad you went to live games but the NBA shut down on March 11th and the ACC tourney shut down the next day. If you went to live games it was within 1 week of the trade so don’t try to make it look like games were going weeks or months after the trade. 

Okung probably had as big a risk of retiring as anyone for any type of CV stoppage. I’m not saying Hurney shouldn’t have made the trade. I wouldn’t have because I would have rather had picks, but let’s be real that this was a potential risk for a guy with a heart problem that mulled retirement after the last season.

Let’s put it this way, it’s not shocking that we were the ones who traded for a high risk guy and it didn’t work out. Trying to make it out like this is some sort of shock or that it was months before sports and schools were shut down is disingenuous.

[Toomers]

37 minutes ago, PanicPete said:

I'm a hurney hater but I mean I know we weren't planning on him playing past this year or winning the super bowl this year...that trade was clearly about clearing salary out not getting Okung 

How did the Panthers clear salary with that trade? Was it the 9.6M dead cap hit? Was it Okungs higher salary? What benefit was there to trading an asset for an 5 years older player with health concerns well before the pandemic. 

[stbugs]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We're you listening to epidemiologists or politicians? Because epidemiologists were never saying this.

Lol, no kidding. The NBA shut down 7 days after the trade. All sports were basically done a week after. The amount of hoops some guys go through to defend a guy who has been mediocre at best for the last decade is amazing. Acting like CV wasn’t even on the radar or that Okung retiring wasn’t a risk even without CV is blind yes man behavior. We didn’t discuss retirement back during the trade because the trade was done so we just wondered if we got the better end of the deal and that’s it.

[stbugs]

3 minutes ago, Toomers said:

How did the Panthers clear salary with that trade? Was it the 9.6M dead cap hit? Was it Okungs higher salary? What benefit was there to trading an asset for an 5 years older player with health concerns well the pandemic. 

There wasn’t. We lose salary cap in 2020 but gain it in 2021 (although with no RG). If getting rid of Turner was solely salary then release him or trade him for picks, don’t pay Okung $13M for 1 year.

[Waldo]

10 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

The trade was announced on March 4.

At that time we had 93,000 people worldwide with the virus. 2 more Americans died on the 2nd making a total of 11 and with very limited testing we weren't even reporting total infections at least in the 3 articles from that day I could find. Here is one of them.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-03/u-s-death-toll-rises-to-9-more-travel-curbs-seen-virus-update

The plan was shut down for a month, watch cases drop and open back up. Obviously reality was very different but to assume Hurney could know that the death toll would go from 11 to 160,000 in 3 1/2 months and shut down everything is ridiculous.

Business were making plans and projections at that time including into next year. Its was and remains best case and worst case scenarios. Using the last panademic as the example it hit 2 years in a row. Best case was it would be summer season and winter looked grimm at that point. Again, look at the BBC article and the answer is yes. Everything in investments and business as of March 1 was when and how long. Looks like worst case is winning unfortunately.

[panthers55]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We're you listening to epidemiologists or politicians? Because epidemiologists were never saying this.

Actually they weren't saying that much and we weren't even tracking cases very well. This is the congressional report from the CDC the day of the trade.

https://www.cdc.gov/washington/testimony/2020/t20200304.htm

Note the risk to American was considered low. Add that to the noise in Washington and as I said, no one predicted this was going to be that bad.

Projections for 140,000 to die if left untreated was much later than March 4th.

[Toomers]

6 minutes ago, stbugs said:

There wasn’t. We lose salary cap in 2020 but gain it in 2021 (although with no RG). If getting rid of Turner was solely salary then release him or trade him for picks, don’t pay Okung $13M for 1 year.

Duuuuude. 
 

   Don’t take away my fun of watching another poster on here stumble through an explanation of the salary cap. 
 

   You’re one of the maybe 5 people on here that actually do. 

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, Waldo said:

Business were making plans and projections at that time including into next year. Its was and remains best case and worst case scenarios. Using the last panademic as the example it hit 2 years in a row. Best case was it would be summer season and winter looked grimm at that point. Again, look at the BBC article and the answer is yes. Everything in investments and business as of March 1 was when and how long. Looks like worst case is winning unfortunately.

This was the March business outlook written on Feb 28, 2020 about March.

https://nrf.com/research/monthly-economic-review-march-2020

 

Notice the concern but this was before we locked down anything. There were no signs of panic or sense of an impending recession. Despite all the bad news in the article, it suggests the overall attitude was that with social distancing and similar efforts undertaken first in Europe, this could be brought under control.

 

[countryboi]

all this discussion and not an official answer in the entire post

[Waldo]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

This was the March business outlook written on Feb 28, 2020 about March.

https://nrf.com/research/monthly-economic-review-march-2020

 

Notice the concern but this was before we locked down anything. There were no signs of panic or sense of an impending recession. Despite all the bad news in the article, it suggests the overall attitude was that with social distancing and similar efforts undertaken first in Europe, this could be brought under control.

 

https://hbr.org/2020/03/what-coronavirus-could-mean-for-the-global-economy

Sorry but the concern was already global and effecting stocks.Here is the stock market tanking on the 9th. By the 15th we were already suffering though a Financial crisis fears and that was publicly. Yes some people were surprised by this but professionals shouldn't have been. 

[panthers55]

8 minutes ago, Waldo said:

https://hbr.org/2020/03/what-coronavirus-could-mean-for-the-global-economy

Sorry but the concern was already global and effecting stocks.Here is the stock market tanking on the 9th. By the 15th we were already suffering though a Financial crisis fears and that was publicly. Yes some people were surprised by this but professionals shouldn't have been. 

Again the trade was made on the 4th. I already said that things escalated quickly in March. And again the lockdown was supposed to be short and wasn't done in many states even now.

Look at Italy now. The truth is that if we had done the right thing in March and April we could have been opening up fine. It is our own fault things got out of hand talking personal freedoms instead of social distancing and masks. 

BTW, I was very worried about Covid 19 early and followed the epidemiologists closely. But honestly I think I was in the minority. Sometimes as I look at folks at the beach I think I still am