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You need to start wondering what you'd give up to get Lawrence

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nctarheelreincarnated Newbie

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2 minutes ago, Rags said:

So

If we got 4 years of that with our last #1 overall pick who was an excellent QB for us.

What makes this time different? Why is Lawrence different from Cam? When we look at other examples of other teams consistently winning with QBs that aren't #1 overall picks why is Lawrence the outlier?

Again my point isn't "Teddy is undoubtably our future" my point is "Lawrence isn't our only form of the future."

Lawrence is the best prospect since Luck. He’s the prototype. That’s what. I believe he could have better success than Cam, and maybe just as good as Payton Manning. poo, I would prefer Eli Manning with two Super Bowls. 

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Just now, Rags said:

And one super bowl to show for it what's your point.

I can point at other teams with constant success and not first overall picks at And (Saints, Packers, Chiefs now and with Alex Smith who was a FA despite being a first overall pick, Pats, Ravens, Steelers) and you keep coming back to Manning and the Colts.

Because he was a first pick. Eli was a first pick, two Super Bowls. Elway, first pick. Two Super Bowls. Just saying and shot. If you want to go the SB route. 

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3 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

John Elway, Manning, Luck made the Colts go from 2 wins to 11 in one year, it’s happened numerous times before. 

And then look at what happened with Luck and that team building.

You need more than an Elite QB to win. Between the 3 of those QBs there's 4 rings between them. One of those rings came off the back of a generational defense.

QB is important but we need more than a QB.

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41 minutes ago, Tbe said:

I see us getting 2-3 more wins. I think we get some QB with the 3rd or 4th pick.

I’m not optimistic to get any of the top QBs. We will lose tiebreakers on SOS so I think we are going to be out of the running. Sucks because I don’t see us getting good enough to really compete. Oh well, it was a nice thought while it lasted. I miss a healthy Cam and that’s what I was hoping for, a franchise QBS who can get you there. Teddy’s a nice guy and it’s amazing he’s even playing at this point but damn, we dominated that team and we came one flip away from losing. I mean he sure is on pace for his 14TDs.

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4 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

Because he was a first pick. Eli was a first pick, two Super Bowls. Elway, first pick. Two Super Bowls. Just saying and shot. If you want to go the SB route. 

Let's not act like Eli was an elite QB who bought constant sucess. Both of his rings came when the Giants had an elite level pass rush. 

Which again brings me back to: We are not talented enough to carry a QB. 

I get wanting Lawrencs. Hell all 32 teams would salivate at the chance to get him.

But we're not damned if we don't get him. 

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4 minutes ago, Pantherxtreme said:

You need that with any Qb, Cam didn't win here until we put a defense around him and a somewhat competent offensive line. 

Cam has played exactly 10 consecutive games in his career at an elite level.... (including playoffs) although I wouldn't truly call any offensive line he had even somewhat competent, In 2013 we lost to the damn 49ers because we couldn't get a TD in the redzone with Nate Chandlers wiff blocks, 2015 was Remmers and Max protect schemes.

 

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4 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

So, you wouldn't take two rings? I would take two rings in a hot minute. 

Where did I say that in my post?

Do you think Eli was the sole reason for those rings? Do you think if that D-line was switched with the pats in either of those games he'd get those rings still?

In at least the 2nd ring the Giants were a wild card team.

I'd take a good competitive team and I know you need more than even an Elite QB for that.b

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