took a whole different coaching staff to figure out how to use Samuel

[TheCasillas]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm fine with what he has become. The only question left is what is his market value and is he worth that?

He will most likely fall in the Aglohor and Patterson range 

[MasterAwesome]

The new coaching staff is definitely utilizing him much more effectively as an overall receiver between the 20s, but you could easily argue the last staff utilized him more effectively in the red zone.  Hopefully yesterday's rushing TD was a sign of things to come, but before that he's been essentially invisible in the red zone.  Which is odd considering he's our most proven red zone weapon, with 7 red zone TDs last season and 4 the year before.

I also think the last staff did a better job using him in the run game.  You could argue it was a bit cutesy/gimmicky with all the reverses and end-arounds and all that, but Samuel operates much better in space than running him up the gut like a traditional running back, which is what we seem to be doing with him a lot this year.  I mean hey, it worked on the TD yesterday but that seemed to be partially cause we caught them off guard by hurrying to the line.

Love seeing his progression as a receiver though.

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

He will most likely fall in the Aglohor and Patterson range 

Agholor is on a one year $1M contract. Samuel is definitely getting way more than that. Patterson is on a two year $10M deal and I think Samuel will likely surpass that as well. If that's his market I'm definitely re-signing him.

[TheCasillas]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Agholor is on a one year $1M contract. Samuel is definitely getting way more than that. Patterson is on a two year $10M deal and I think Samuel will likely surpass that as well. If that's his market I'm definitely re-signing him.

I don’t know why I thought he was on a 2 year 10mil deal.  But yeah that’s the range I think with next year’s cap being in flux.

[WashedUpFan]

56 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I'm not sure i can agree with you about most of your post. As seen by his consistent 3rd down conversions he obviously can beat man zone or whatever else kind of coverage you want him to beat. Yes, he can infact be a legitimate wr.. the difference here is the play calling is far superior. At best a 3? Umm i think thats about his middle of his potential yes. I dont see any reason he can't be a 2. Not behind anderson and Moore of course but, he gets open pretty frequently.

His hands aren't as bad as most make them out to be either.

I agree with you - not only all of those things but the offense runs more smoothly when he is on the field. He opens everyone up. 
He is a great at YAC & routes so truly don’t believe the “nothing he’s great at” sentiment. 
He also has been great this year at down field blocking, probably our best WR at it.

[electro's horse]

1 hour ago, micnificent28 said:

I'm not sure i can agree with you about most of your post. As seen by his consistent 3rd down conversions he obviously can beat man zone or whatever else kind of coverage you want him to beat. Yes, he can infact be a legitimate wr.. the difference here is the play calling is far superior.

yeah but he's lining up inside where it's easier to move him around and take advantage of defensive lineups. 

like when Rivera and co were sticking him on the outside, it was pretty easy to take him out of the game. plus, he's just not that great with a safety over top and a corner in his face. He's soft. 

on the inside they can move him around, either to let him get away from a linebacker or take advantage of nickel and dime sets and get easy yards on the ground, which is what they're doing. 

[parker]

1 hour ago, theinstrumental said:

He's been fun to watch this year. I was surprised to see an undrafted safety getting carries out of the backfield over him, though. Makes me wonder how much the staff really trusts him as a ball carrier or if they only want to hand off to him if they can get a light box. 

I think they were trying to go easy on his knee.  Just get him out on the field for a limited number of plays, but keep him healthy for Thursday.  I think giving him a rush in the red zone shows how much they trust him.

[CRA]

He is running routes more comparable to what he did in college.  He was never a WR you put on the outside like we did last year 

[DeSim]

He is gone after this year tbh, someone will overspend for him. Let’s just take the compensatory pick or cancel it out by signing a top OL in free agency. 

[Bartin]

He was drafted to be Ted Ginn. Turns out he is Randall Cobb.

[CRA]

14 minutes ago, Bartin said:

He was drafted to be Ted Ginn. Turns out he is Randall Cobb.

I would disagree w/ that assessment of Samuel.  Ginn and Samuel are nothing alike.  Outside of both being some variation of fast.   Ginn was always a vertical top of a defense guy.  Samuel has never been that.  Wasn't in college. 

[Bartin]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

I would disagree w/ that assessment of Samuel.  Ginn and Samuel are nothing alike.  Outside of both being some variation of fast.   Ginn was always a vertical top of a defense guy.  Samuel has never been that.  Wasn't in college. 

That was my point. He was drafted to be Ted Ginn’s replacement and that’s how the previous staff used him. But he is not really anything like Ted Ginn other than straight line speed.
 

He is best used in the slot like a Randall Cobb running crossers and short routes.

[CRA]

Just now, Bartin said:

That was my point. He was drafted to be Ted Ginn’s replacement and that’s how the previous staff used him. But he is not really anything like Ted Ginn other than straight line speed.
 

He is best used in the slot like a Randall Cobb running crossers and short routes.

well, my belief is part if it is  that CMC turned out to be even better than expected.  So good that they refused to take him off the field.  Ever. 

and an uncreative coordinator just lazily threw him on the outside because he was more talented than others on the roster.  

[ImaginaryKev]

Some folks are trying to be slick and poo poo him being a second rounder but i Got no problem with what we spent on him in the draft. Was also the year we drafted Cmc and it signaled we were finally going away from the hulking, slow WR and were making a big effort to get more athletic and faster. This philosophy has paid dividends for us and we got us a real wr1 the very next year. I like what I've seen so far.