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How much time is enough time to tell whether we've been snowed?

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45 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Just a guess, but some of these penalties may simply be players attempting to compensate for being overmatched rather than a lack of discipline.  Regardless, the penalties are killing this team, especially on third downs when they can't seem to close the deal and get off the field. 

Interesting thought.  May be something to look into.

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57 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Bill Voth noted that of the six penalties called on us last night, five were on the defense.

Well, the vast majority of offensive penalities are committed by the OL. If we were committing penalties on the OL while being that porous that would truly be something to behold.

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2 hours ago, top dawg said:

I admittedly pay more attention to the little nuances of the offense, but I ain't really feeling Phil Snow right now. I am not ready to essentially call him a bust (like I did after three or four games of seeing Shula orchestrate our offense), but I just don't know if dude is putting players in the best position to succeed. Gap integrity is lacking. Opposing receivers give "in the zone" a whole new meaning as they home in on the soft spots without much pushback. Don't get me wrong, I would like to see what Snow can accomplish with more talent in the middle and back of the defense, but it's not like we are totally bereft of talent, but it's midseason, and I want to start seeing some consistency. Perhaps more man coverage, schemes and blitzes might be in order. At this point, anything's worth a try. Bend-don't-break has never been my favorite defensive philosophy (or reality), especially when it appears you're getting lucky half the time. And there is little excuse for continual drive-extending penalties week after week. Snow needs to tighten up! I am trying to be patient, but if we're still looking the same this time next year, I'll be saying, "We can't let things snowball!"

Get ready to get bombarded with he's doing the most with ???.  He's doing g great considering...blah blah blah, as I git in my thread Phil Snow's Defense 

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Well, the vast majority of offensive penalities are committed by the OL. If we were committing penalties on the OL while being that porous that would truly be something to behold.

All respect to Voth, but the league has slanted it this way for years.  The rules simply favor defensive penalties, coupled with the absolute REFUSAL to call offensive holding this year, sort of makes this sort of thing inevitable.

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15 minutes ago, PantherPhann89 said:

Get ready to get bombarded with he's doing the most with ???.  He's doing g great considering...blah blah blah, as I git in my thread Phil Snow's Defense 

Yeah, I don't see this defense as talentless. I am not buying it. I know they're young and all that, and mistakes will be made, but it would be nice to see even small increments of progress and consistency. After seeing what they can do as opposed to what many thought they would do, the I-thought-they-would-stink-so-Snow-is-overachieving rationale is not quite doing it for me.

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19 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Yeah, I don't see this defense as talentless. I am not buying it. I know they're young and all that, and mistakes will be made, but it would be nice to see even small increments of progress and consistency. After seeing what they can do as opposed to what many thought they would do, the I-thought-they-would-stink-so-Snow-is-overachieving rationale is not quite doing it for me.

What could they do? We were missing our starting SS, our #1 CB, our #2 CB was limited by injury, and our starting FS is Tre Boston. If we were blitzing like crazy and getting beat deep we'd probably be giving up TDs instead of FGs.

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

What could they do? We were missing our starting SS, our #1 CB, our #2 CB was limited by injury, and our starting FS is Tre Boston. If we were blitzing like crazy and getting beat deep we'd probably be giving up TDs instead of FGs.

Plus Whitehead played MLB and YGM is hurt and KK is hurt. 

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6 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

What could they do? We were missing our starting SS, our #1 CB, our #2 CB was limited by injury, and our starting FS is Tre Boston. If we were blitzing like crazy and getting beat deep we'd probably be giving up TDs instead of FGs.

I mean, it's not like I am basing an opinion on one game. And, I also said that he deserves a certain amount of time. I don't think that another year is too much to ask to see some marked progress. 

8 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:

I don’t understand some of you people. It’s the youngest defense in a decade with no offseason. We are already playing better than last years defense even though we have half the talent, first year in a new system, and the two reasons also listed above. Give me a break...he is exceeding expectations this year. I expected us to be historically bad after watching last years squad and seeing who left in the offseason. Jackson with a bum toe was our number one starting cb yesterday....

Blah blah blah, but you never answered the question. It seems some of you only want to pontificate about how crazy some are. Snow deserves some time, but he doesn't deserve unlimited time, and small increments of progress and consistency are NOT too much to ask for, as there must be some level of evaluation---some standard other than "the team doesn't suck as much as I thought it would," or "the defense is made of chicken poo"

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