NFL compensatory picks for minority coaches and executives explained

[Iron Saint]

5 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:

Good on them for hiring the best candidate. I hate that the Saints get extra draft picks from it but I don’t think the Falcons should get any hate for this. To me, the team who hires the monitory in the gm role or head coach should get the reward of the draft picks, not the team that they are coming from 

So we shouldn’t be rewarded for not only providing an opportunity to that minority employee in the first place but grooming him all the way up the front office hierarchy only for some sorry *** team to come and pick from the fruits of our labor AND be rewarded for something we did? 

Tf outta here. LOLOL. If they need to come pick from our front office/coaching staff to fill their vacancy/vacancies, then why should they be rewarded for their failure to groom their own candidates, regardless of their ethnicity?

Honestly, screw two compensatory 3rds, we should get a compensatory 3rd this year and the Falcons’ 3rd rounder this year. Not our fault they can’t spot talent, on the field nor in their front office.

[WarPanthers89]

25 minutes ago, Iron Saint said:

So we shouldn’t be rewarded for not only providing an opportunity to that minority employee in the first place but grooming him all the way up the front office hierarchy only for some sorry *** team to come and pick from the fruits of our labor AND be rewarded for something we did? 

Tf outta here. LOLOL. If they need to come pick from our front office/coaching staff to fill their vacancy/vacancies, then why should they be rewarded for their failure to groom their own candidates, regardless of their ethnicity?

Honestly, screw two compensatory 3rds, we should get a compensatory 3rd this year and the Falcons’ 3rd rounder this year. Not our fault they can’t spot talent, on the field nor in their front office.

Nice to see you lurking on the Panthers forum to post on random topics...but yeah that’s my opinion because they are giving a minority the opportunity to be a gm/coach. That’s the entire point...that minority coaches are not being given the opportunity like they should to get into these key roles. It encourages teams to make the “leap” that they have failed to do so in the past based off the statistics that back that up. Its not right that teams have failed to do this in the past, but it would encourage the team to make that decision when now it offers no incentive to the team making the hire. By giving the hiring team the picks, I believe more teams will make that leap. It’s just my opinion which does not mean much, just like your terrible take about getting the Falcons third. 

[Iron Saint]

14 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:

Nice to see you lurking on the Panthers forum to post on random topics...but yeah that’s my opinion because they are giving a minority the opportunity to be a gm/coach. That’s the entire point...that minority coaches are not being given the opportunity like they should to get into these key roles. It encourages teams to make the “leap” that they have failed to do so in the past based off the statistics that back that up. Its not right that teams have failed to do this in the past, but it would encourage the team to make that decision when now it offers no incentive to the team making the hire. By giving the hiring team the picks, I believe more teams will make that leap. It’s just my opinion which does not mean much, just like your terrible take about getting the Falcons third. 

I post here, on Pewter Report, the Falcons official board, and various other NFL boards in addition to my home Saints board. And I commented since it’s Saints related.

And well it’s not as much of “a leap” when you’re hiring long tenured and highly respected guys from another organization. If anyone made a leap, it was that organization that actually took a chance employing that candidate in the first place and supplying them the opportunity to cut their teeth in the league; hence why that’s the organization that is rewarded the picks.

These teams picking from the fruits of another team because they can’t groom their own talent in-house definitely don’t deserve any compensation for that hire because if they did, it’d only result in teams gaming the system. Sure, a small handful of qualified candidates would be rightly hired, but the majority of teams would be making these minority hires to a certain title while the owner (or another higher up) is behind the scenes still pulling all the strings; undermining the entire concept for free picks.

[Manna]

sounds like a slippery slope type of thing to me

[DaveThePanther2008]

This rule is ridiculous. So I am an owner of a team and I want a minority coach from a team in my division.  So I hire this guy and that team gets two 3rd round draft picks?  That in itself would be a reason I wouldn't hire that coach.   If they nail those 3rd round picks.  They get stronger.

One 5th and one 6th wouldn't be so damaging. 

[Brooklyn 3.0]

Depending on how many extra picks a year there are now, boy that sure makes the 4th round and beyond lesser. But I doubt it'll be any more than a handful of extra picks a draft.

[Peon Awesome]

For those saying the hiring team should get the pick, you are missing the point. The idea isn't to create the appearance that teams are being bribed to hire a minority head coach or GM that may be underqualified. The minority candidates are having to interview, show their qualifications and get the position on their own merits without any incentive for the hiring team. Instead, the system incentivizes teams to give these candidates a chance to show what they can do, putting themselves in a position to showcase their talents. And if they don't succeed, they won't get coaching or GM positions and the team won't get a comp pick. Not only do you need to highlight the right candidates with potential, you have to groom them and raise their profile. And with all the investment you put in, you get a 3rd round comp pick for your efforts.

if you're a minority candidate, you can't succeed if no one ever gives you the opportunity. And you make GM or head coach on your own merits, not because the league is giving teams a draft pick to hire you. Gotta feel better knowing a team hired you despite it helping another team, than thinking you might've gotten the job over a white candidate cause your team was rewarded a draft pick. It's not a perfect system by any means but I have to say I respect it.

[DaveThePanther2008]

16 hours ago, Iron Saint said:

So we shouldn’t be rewarded for not only providing an opportunity to that minority employee in the first place but grooming him all the way up the front office hierarchy only for some sorry *** team to come and pick from the fruits of our labor AND be rewarded for something we did? 

Tf outta here. LOLOL. If they need to come pick from our front office/coaching staff to fill their vacancy/vacancies, then why should they be rewarded for their failure to groom their own candidates, regardless of their ethnicity?

Honestly, screw two compensatory 3rds, we should get a compensatory 3rd this year and the Falcons’ 3rd rounder this year. Not our fault they can’t spot talent, on the field nor in their front office.

Talking about discrimination.  You develop a good intern non-minority and a team takes him. No issues but if he's minority you get two compensatory picks.  

[SmokinwithWilly]

4 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

This rule is ridiculous. So I am an owner of a team and I want a minority coach from a team in my division.  So I hire this guy and that team gets two 3rd round draft picks?  That in itself would be a reason I wouldn't hire that coach.   If they nail those 3rd round picks.  They get stronger.

One 5th and one 6th wouldn't be so damaging. 

Agree. 3rd round picks can be very important, especially when you are talking about positions like interior linemen. Thats a potential 10 year vet or pro bowler.

I would have no problem however changing it to say a $2 mil cap boost league wide per hire per year for 2 years. Everyone benefits equally. 

[Iron Saint]

1 hour ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Talking about discrimination.  You develop a good intern non-minority and a team takes him. No issues but if he's minority you get two compensatory picks.  

I agree, I don’t understand why the NFL thinks that the way to solve workplace discrimination is by... league-sanctioned workplace discrimination. 

I think if you lose any long-tenured member regardless of ethnicity of your front office hierarchy (at least 5+ years) to a promotion at a different team then some form of compensation should be granted. Maybe not two 3rd round picks, maybe one or multiple 4ths, ect.

But hey, I’ll take it how it is currently (at least this year). Show me the picks!

1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I would have no problem however changing it to say a $2 mil cap boost league wide per hire per year for 2 years. Everyone benefits equally. 

Ayeeee! Now we’re talking. You know what kind of cap magic Loomis can work with that extra scratch?

[SmokinwithWilly]

31 minutes ago, Iron Saint said:

I agree, I don’t understand why the NFL thinks that the way to solve workplace discrimination is by... league-sanctioned workplace discrimination. 

I think if you lose any long-tenured member regardless of ethnicity of your front office hierarchy (at least 5+ years) to a promotion at a different team then some form of compensation should be granted. Maybe not two 3rd round picks, maybe one or multiple 4ths, ect.

But hey, I’ll take it how it is currently (at least this year). Show me the picks!

Ayeeee! Now we’re talking. You know what kind of cap magic Loomis can work with that extra scratch?

As much as I despise him for doing it, Loomis can work magic with the cap. But it also gives more opportunity to see what guys in the front office can do if given the chance I think. Part of opportunity is having that chance to be seen. Might open up some doors for creative thinking that weren't really considered before. 

[Iron Saint]

20 hours ago, TSLA said:

This is literally the dumbest crap I’ve seen from the NFL. It should be the other way around. Teams that hire a minority receive the comp picks. How does this help the Rooney Rule? 

I guess you feel that when a team signs a free agent then they should also receive a compensatory pick instead of the team that lost the player, right? Because that’s the logic you’re making.

And it helps the Rooney Rule because it encourages organizations to hire and groom minorities in their front office to ultimately hold the title of GM.

If teams that hired the minority candidate would get compensatory picks, you’d have teams hiring every minority they can to a title while someone else higher up pulls all the strings (like Jerry Jones, Bill Belichick, ect), undermining the entire concept. That’s how it helps the Rooney Rule.

[Jon Snow]

As much as it repulses me to agree with a saint's fan he is correct.   

[Iron Saint]

44 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

As much as it repulses me to agree with a saint's fan he is correct.   

You may proceed with projectile vomiting, I won’t be offended. XD