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Breer talks about Gase (and Tannehill; oh, and Darnold)


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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Gruden kept shifting quarterbacks rather than sticking with one and developing them. That's basically the approach you're advocating.

And seriously, if you want to emulate the Browns, you'd best be prepared for this:

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No I’m advocating for us to draft a rookie QB in the first round, you know like the overwhelming majority of SB winning teams  have done. Your the one that wants the Gruden approach with Darnold.

Again the Browns are better team than us, also the majority of those guys were t drafted by them, so keep fueling my argument 

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19 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The team can restructure his deal so that it's basically a little over eleven and a half million per year for the next two seasons.

Why would the Panthers put even more money onto this year? Its the same 24M either way. 
 

  I still have a hard time believing the Panthers are exercising the option before the draft. I know it was reported, but they have until the 5/3 to officially do it. Maybe they put it out there to make teams think they don’t want a QB at 8? As many on here have thought. It makes much sense if it’s a smokescreen. 

  The trade, IMO, wasn’t bad. I wouldn’t have given a probable top 40 pick, but it wasn’t a ridiculous overpay by any measure. It’s the option. There is not one good reason to guarantee him 19M based off anything he’s done up until now. 

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Hardest part of Darnold's development will be erasing all the garbage Gase tried to teach him. More than just having bad fundamentals, Gase's offense routinely called for plays that were not designed to beat the defense they were facing. At the very least I hope Joe Brady's offense can put Darnold in more winning situations.

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah, like that Brees guy. What did he ever win?

Same with that guy the Packers picked up that had a funny last name. Brett something...

Ah yes the the outliers, about time you brought up those two guys. Let’s play a game, I’ll name a castoff QB that didn’t workout out, then you name one. I’ll go first and give you four right off the bat, Rosen, Paxton Lynch, Bortles, Ej Manuel. 
 

i will make it easier for you, you give me  one name I’ll give you two.

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7 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

No I’m advocating for us to draft a rookie QB in the first round, you know like the overwhelming majority of SB winning teams  have done. Your the one that wants the Gruden approach with Darnold.

Again the Browns are better team than us, also the majority of those guys were t drafted by them, so keep fueling my argument 

You do realize (and given who I'm talking to I know that's assuming a lot) that Darnold is only 23, right?

And I realize that Albert Breer's analysis doesn't carry as much weight as a tweet from last year, but still...

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1 minute ago, GoobyPls said:

Ah yes the the outliers, about time you brought up those two guys. Let’s play a game, I’ll name a castoff QB that didn’t workout out, then you name one. I’ll go first and give you four right off the bat, Rosen, Paxton Lynch, Bortles, Ej Manuel. 

i will make it easier for you, you give me  one name I’ll give you two.

See, this is why it's fun debating with you. Given time, you typically own yourself.

All those guys you just listed as castoffs, guess what they were before that? 

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You do realize (and given who I'm talking to I know that's assuming a lot) that Darnold is only 23, right?

And I realize that Albert Brrer's analysis doesn't carry as much weight as a tweet from last year, but still...

Is his age supposed to erase 3 years of horrible tape?

Rosen was 21 when the cards got rid of him, Paxton Lynch was 23, Bridegwater 24 do I keep going?

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

See, this is why it's fun debating with you. Given time, you typically own yourself.

All those guys you just listed as castoffs, guess what they were before that? 

Bust like Darnold.

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25 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

And teams that sign castoff end up in nfl purgatory with 5-11 record lingering around being irrelevant never finding a true franchise QB

You can't judge a QB by his inability to win at his 1st NFL destination. The following championship QBs all won at later destinations after being cut/released or traded early in their career:

John Unitas, Len Dawson, Jim Plunkett, Doug Williams, Steve YoungBrett Favre, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer,  Kurt Warner.

Five of those guys are in the Hall of Fame. You can make an argument that Jim Plunkett should be. 

QB's don't win Super Bowls. Teams do. All of the above entered the league in less than optimal circumstances. After being given an opportunity with better organizations/teams they were able to excel.

Sam Darnold came out of college and joined a franchise that hasn't been to a Super Bowl in 5 decades. Let's see how he does in a new environment before we label him an unsuccessful castoff. 

 

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Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Ah, but praytell how did they come into the league? 🤔

Getting drafted, is that supposed to help your argument? Lmao

 

Thats how it works, you draft a QB give him a couple of years if it doesn’t workout you move on and try again.
 

And with how easy the transition from college to the pros today today’s game is, rookies QBs should be given less time. We just saw a rookie QB throw for 35 TD last year, and another rookie pass for 3 straight games of 300 yards

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5 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

You can't judge a QB by his inability to win at his 1st NFL destination. The following championship QBs all won at the later destinations after being cut/released or traded early in their career:

John Unitas, Len Dawson, Jim Plunkett, Doug Williams, Steve Young, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer,  Kurt Warner.

QB's don't win Super Bowls. Teams do. All of the above entered the league in less than optimal circumstances. After being given an opportunity with better organizations/teams they were able to excel.

Sam Darnold came out of college and joined a franchise that hasn't been to a Super Bowl in 5 decades. Let's see how he does in a new environment before we label him an unsuccessful castoff. 

 

In today’s nfl you can, you names guys who played 50 years ago. And for every guy you named I can name two SB winners who were drafted by the team they won with. And it’s not just SB it’s league mvps, all pro players pro bowls.

So were Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith, matter of fact Geno had a worse team. Baker was drafted by historically the worst team in nfl history he went on to break rookie records.

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Just now, GoobyPls said:

Getting drafted, is that supposed to help your argument? Lmao

Thats how it works, you draft a QB give him a couple of years if it doesn’t workout you move on and try again.

And with how easy the transition from college to the pros today today’s game is, rookies QBs should be given less time. We just saw a rookie QB throw for 35 TD last year, and another rookie pass for 3 straight games of 300 yards

Following up the suggestion that a first round pick was the only way to go by naming nearly half a dozen first round busts certainly didn't help yours 😄

Neither did appealing to recent Super Bowl history as evidence for first round picks do much when you consider that the vast majority of Super Bowls over the last several years have been won by a sixth round pick who was stuck behind a first-round pick for the first few years of his career; that same guy who this past year would have fit your definition of a castoff. Also the same dude who lost the Super Bowl just a few years back to another "castoff".

The reality is there's no single path to Super Bowl victory. Plenty of teams have won it with guys that didn't succeed in their first spot.

 

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Verge gave a good breakdown of recent success of 1st round picks vs later in the past 7 years or so. It heavily favored 1st round, but I’m not sure it matters as Darnold was also a first round pick??

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