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Looking at Who Could Emerge as WR3 for Carolina


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13 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The #3 WR spot is Marshall's to lose this year. IMO, the long-term plan is for Marshall to take over as the #2 WR after we let Robby walk in FA and for Shi Smith to be the long-term answer in the slot. We'll see how it all plays out, but that looks good to me on paper.

I pretty much agree with this. 

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My theory---

We want more :"Go" routes and QBs throw more than they did 15 years ago.  I wonder how many WRs lose a step or two in the fourth quarter?  we rotate DTs, and they don't run much.  We rotate DEs--keeping them fresh.

Why is there not more of a rotation for WRs?  You keep them fresh and give the DBs a different look.  I know there are some WR rotations, but normally, when we go to 4 WR sets.  What if, for example, Marshall rotated with Anderson and Moore.  The other Moore and Shi worked the slot.  I mean, why would this be bad?  Is it timing?  Chemistry?  If so, is that more important that fresh legs?

Maybe I am wrong because they don't do this as much as one might think. But in a game, the WR might run the equivalent of 20-40 yard dashes in full gear, fighting DBs, etc. Is that 20th route as crisp as the first?   Maybe that is because it is tough to keep more than 3 quality WRs on the roster---I dunno.

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Last season we had Moore, Anderson, Samuel and nothing else.

My prediction is that the load will be shared more than last season and that all three mentioned will get plenty of opportunities. Shi Smith should get less than the other two.

Looking at stats, hopefully Marshall end up as WR3 so he can emerge and be WR1/2 next year. David Moore should have a big advantage over Shi Smith for snaps in the slot, because he is proven in the league. So that will amount a fair share of yards and TD for him.

I am not sure about Shi Smith playing on the outside so his opportunities will depend on how well the others do on the outside and how much rotation there will be for him to add up some yardage and TD.

Worth mentioning. Shi Smith and David Moore could end up taking snaps on the special team and maybe do a few returns along with RB2/3.

The WR group looks super interesting. Cant wait for TC to start and we hear news about the progress.

Do we keep 6 WR and who will it be?
I am still hoping on Omar Bayless but...  we will see.

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58 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

My theory---

We want more :"Go" routes and QBs throw more than they did 15 years ago.  I wonder how many WRs lose a step or two in the fourth quarter?  we rotate DTs, and they don't run much.  We rotate DEs--keeping them fresh.

Why is there not more of a rotation for WRs?  You keep them fresh and give the DBs a different look.  I know there are some WR rotations, but normally, when we go to 4 WR sets.  What if, for example, Marshall rotated with Anderson and Moore.  The other Moore and Shi worked the slot.  I mean, why would this be bad?  Is it timing?  Chemistry?  If so, is that more important that fresh legs?

Maybe I am wrong because they don't do this as much as one might think. But in a game, the WR might run the equivalent of 20-40 yard dashes in full gear, fighting DBs, etc. Is that 20th route as crisp as the first?   Maybe that is because it is tough to keep more than 3 quality WRs on the roster---I dunno.

Agree 100%.

Think it is a question about talent and lack of talent.

If this new WR group ends up being better than last years, there should be more 4 WR sets. Only way I see DJ Moore and Anderson having less snaps (%), is if Marshall and the unknown sixth WR ends up as alternatives on the outside.

Not sure if David Moore is an option on the outside.

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17 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

It will be a disappointment if he doesn't easily win that #3 spot. That could have been a starting OL selection.

He's another offseason addition that has big injury flags. We just need him to stay healthy more than anything.

The one thing on this is that I am assuming they are confident in Erving and Elflein and that opened them up to taking the risk on Marshall. That along will thinking Christensen would be available in the 3rd.

I said this during the draft as well and I think we were thinking the same thing. We knew Marshall wouldn’t be there at Christensen’s pick so we decided to risk Christensen being available and he was. I know there was some rumor that we got tipped but anyone would have known. I thought that and I didn’t get tipped because another WR next to Thomas is a huge need for NO. It also seemed like they reached on that LB a bit almost as if they assumed we wouldn’t take Marshall.

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11 minutes ago, stbugs said:

The one thing on this is that I am assuming they are confident in Erving and Elflein and that opened them up to taking the risk on Marshall. That along will thinking Christensen would be available in the 3rd.

I said this during the draft as well and I think we were thinking the same thing. We knew Marshall wouldn’t be there at Christensen’s pick so we decided to risk Christensen being available and he was. I know there was some rumor that we got tipped but anyone would have known. I thought that and I didn’t get tipped because another WR next to Thomas is a huge need for NO. It also seemed like they reached on that LB a bit almost as if they assumed we wouldn’t take Marshall.

Even if Marshall works out, it will be a tough look if none of Erving, Elflein or Christensen can be above average NFL starters. That was our biggest non-QB need this offseason and so those were very, very important decisions. 

I like Marshall a lot but I did feel like that was a little bit of a luxury pick. Ultimately, I really like our WR corps but it's hard for them to be effective when the QB is mostly horizontal. 

I really, really wanted to go OL in the 2nd and 3rd.

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5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Even if Marshall works out, it will be a tough look if none of Erving, Elflein or Christensen can be above average NFL starters. That was our biggest non-QB need this offseason and so those were very, very important decisions. 

I like Marshall a lot but I did feel like that was a little bit of a luxury pick. Ultimately, I really like our WR corps but it's hard for them to be effective when the QB is mostly horizontal. 

I really, really wanted to go OL in the 2nd and 3rd.

If Marshall had a long prolific career nobody will care about whT he did as a rookie.

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5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Even if Marshall works out, it will be a tough look if none of Erving, Elflein or Christensen can be above average NFL starters. That was our biggest non-QB need this offseason and so those were very, very important decisions. 

I like Marshall a lot but I did feel like that was a little bit of a luxury pick. Ultimately, I really like our WR corps but it's hard for them to be effective when the QB is mostly horizontal. 

I really, really wanted to go OL in the 2nd and 3rd.

I agree about Marshall--I am fairly sure we were going OT and this guy with a late first round grade is sitting there.  BPA.  It seems there is some reason (every year) we just do not prioritize the OT position.

That is not to say picking Marshall was the wrong thing to do-

Maybe Darnold will be faster at reading the defense and getting rid of the ball. 

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5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Even if Marshall works out, it will be a tough look if none of Erving, Elflein or Christensen can be above average NFL starters. That was our biggest non-QB need this offseason and so those were very, very important decisions. 

I like Marshall a lot but I did feel like that was a little bit of a luxury pick. Ultimately, I really like our WR corps but it's hard for them to be effective when the QB is mostly horizontal. 

I really, really wanted to go OL in the 2nd and 3rd.

I don’t disagree at all. I wanted to go super OL heavy. I was happy to get Moore as an UDFA and while I’m not enamored with Brown at all, in the 6th is worth the chance he gets in shape.

If none of those 3 work out and Moton remains unsigned, we will be in the race for having the worst OL in NFL history in 2022.

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About OT--Daley was not bad when he played.  I know, injury history, but sometimes, it is just bad luck.  I think he will win the LT job, but we have 3 who could reach the average level (Daley, Scott, Erving).  I am not giving up on Christensen either, but I found Rhule's comments about him at RT to be disturbing.  Was that for Moton negotiations or was he a depth pick?  At 25, he needs to start now-can he beat out what we have at G now?  Not seeing the spot for him at this time.

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3 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I don’t disagree at all. I wanted to go super OL heavy. I was happy to get Moore as an UDFA and while I’m not enamored with Brown at all, in the 6th is worth the chance he gets in shape.

If none of those 3 work out and Moton remains unsigned, we will be in the race for having the worst OL in NFL history in 2022.

Brown is not a great fit here.  We shall see, but his brand of RG is starting to become a bit obsolete, with the zone blocking schemes. Maybe a goalline and special teams G, but I am not seeing the fit in the offense.  Of course, I hope that I am wrong. 

It reminds me of the Duke Robinson pick, and that is not fair to Brown.

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33 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

If Marshall had a long prolific career nobody will care about whT he did as a rookie.

I am not talking about his performance, I am talking about addressing our second biggest roster weakness. One that has been there for a long time. So, even if he is a stud, if our OL is mediocre to bad again, it's going to matter in the long term. Now, if we eventually fix that, sure....no harm to foul. But that has to get fixed eventually and this was supposedly a great OL draft class. 

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