Anyone else concerned/disappointed with the lack of touches for the backup RBs and CMC's sustained workload?

[frankw]

3 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

I'd like to make a few points here.

1) "force feed" implies they were unsuccessfully trying to get them yardage. Our best chance at success was with CMC, who the Jets couldn't cover nor tackle.
2) He wasn't used anymore than other RBs around the league. Joe Mixon had 33 touches (for 37 fewer yards) in a Bengals win. 
3) DJ Moore was targeted 8 times, had 6 catches for 80 yards and one carry for 14 yards, so it wasn't like he was ignored (I also consider him to be a weapon on offense).
4) No fewer than 7 teams threw the ball at least 47 times last week. Do we want Sam Darnold firing 50 passes a game, or CMC getting 25 touches and balancing run with pass (just like nearly every team that won)?

We'll see how our philosophy works against the Saints that's our first true test. I hope we are able to spread the ball around.

[Shocker]

Chuba’s ball security problems probably factor in here.  Obviously the blitz pickup as well.  He needs time.  Rolls Royce needs to get ready quick IMO as there are carries to be had for him.

[trueblade]

Just now, frankw said:

Whats's your point? The Raiders had six receiving targets with 40 or more yards. It's a passing league and a league built around dynamic offenses not a one man crew.

You asked: Did either team force feed one offensive skill player?

I showed you one team threw 1/3 of their passes to one player. I would say that makes a strong case that they were force feeding that player.

[Brooklyn 3.0]

Hubba Bubba and whomeverheis are not CMC and won't be CMC. It's a risk to give CMC so much, but what else are you going to do? If we ever have a nice lead, then you can let CMC rest.

[frankw]

Just now, trueblade said:

You asked: Did either team force feed one offensive skill player?

I showed you one team threw 1/3 of their passes to one player. I would say that makes a strong case that they were force feeding that player.

McCaffrey led the team in carries and receptions for a total of 30 compared to 10 receptions for Waller. You are grasping.

[trueblade]

7 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

1) Chuba missed a blitz pick-up during the game, and that the rookies can't afford to play like rookies

A good example is BAL last night, as decimated as they were, and with Bell and Freeman being there roughly a week, they still were not dressed. 

Also from the Monday night game, Baltimore's rookie (Ty'Son Williams) missed a blitz pick-up that led to Lamar's fumble that gave LV the ball for their game winning drive.

[Carl Spackler]

5 minutes ago, trueblade said:

You asked: Did either team force feed one offensive skill player?

I showed you one team threw 1/3 of their passes to one player. I would say that makes a strong case that they were force feeding that player.

I don't think you're gonna get through.

[trueblade]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

McCaffrey led the team in carries and receptions for a total of 30 compared to 10 receptions for Waller. You are grasping.

RBs and TEs are different positions. Of course an RB is going to have more total touches than a TE. That wasn't the question.

You seem to reject the idea that giving one receiver 33% of the targets is "force feeding that player". I simply disagree. 

[Carl Spackler]

1 minute ago, trueblade said:

RBs and TEs are different positions. Of course an RB is going to have more total touches than a TE. That wasn't the question.

You seem to reject the idea that giving one receiver 33% of the targets is "force feeding that player". I simply disagree. 

I remember when throwing to Steve Smith 12 times and his getting 8 catches was force feeding. Throwing to someone 19 times though? Nah, that ain't it.

[frankw]

2 minutes ago, trueblade said:

RBs and TEs are different positions. Of course an RB is going to have more total touches than a TE. That wasn't the question.

You seem to reject the idea that giving one receiver 33% of the targets is "force feeding that player". I simply disagree. 

Of course we disagree that's fine. But what you are missing is Jon Gruden clearly has a different philosophy on the whole. His team had 82 rushing yards total but the Raiders are very plainly a passing team like much of the league. They got their team deep into OT not by running their rb into the ground but by spreading the ball around. Waller was their go to more often than not but they had other skill players they could lean on. Look I try to speak to Panthers fans about this but the emotional connection some of you hold with McCaffrey is too great. It's Cam Newton all over again. We will have plenty of answers this weekend I hope we are victorious.

[Moo Daeng]

I'm not particularly concerned with utilizing one of the best offensive players in the game. I'd be concerned if they weren't

[trueblade]

1 minute ago, Carl Spackler said:

I remember when throwing to Steve Smith 12 times and his getting 8 catches was force feeding. Throwing to someone 19 times though? Nah, that ain't it.

Monday Nov 13, 2006 Steve Smith received 35% of the targets (8 receptions on 12 targets. Jake threw 34 passes.)

Waller received 34% last night (33.9% to be precise). So you're trying to tell me a 35% target share IS force feeding but a 34% target share isn't.

[PanicPete]

It's all well and good to say we're going to limit CMC's touches until teams start blitzing/pressuring us and he comes out wide open for a short pass or abuses an LB in coverage and is wide open in the middle on every play. The guy catches everything and runs through people..... He really is the ultimate safety blanket.

It's hard to stop using him when it just works so much lol. If we are ever up a couple scores late yeah give him a break but otherwise feed the man. 

[frankw]

Raiders just beat one of the better teams in the league in overtime while Carolina was held to 3 second half points by the worst team in the league but pat yourselves on the back fellas

Edited September 14, 2021 by frankw