Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

After today, everyone should understand you need a QB

AU-panther

By AU-panther,
in Carolina Panthers

 Share

Recommended Posts

AU-panther Mentor

AU-panther

Posted
  • Author
Posted
2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

These folks would miss on Burrow because he doesn't have a cannon arm. They'd miss on Murray because he's too short.

There are very few check every box QB prospects and they go #1 overall when they come along and the team sitting at #1 doesn't even listen to trade offers.

Agree

Also, people don't understand QBs aren't even money bets, you don't have to be right as often.

I've said it before, if Team A spends their next 3 1st round picks on a QB and goes 1/3 and Team B spends their next 3 1st round picks on non-QBs and goes 3/3, Team A is in way better shape and it's not even close, assuming neither team has a good QB to start with.

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
mrcompletely11 Grand Master

mrcompletely11

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, frankw said:

This 5 win crap only guarantees that we prolong QB purgatory. Just get it over with and have the worst record in 2022 like we should have done the last three years. Take the best quarterback available and pray he's the one.

I would much much rather roll the dice next year and pick a top talent tackle.  We are going to suck next year anyway so the timelines dont really matter

  • Flames 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
BrianS Veteran

BrianS

Posted
Posted
30 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Yup, but you also only find the last busted boxes on the shelf waiting to the last minute on Christmas Eve to buy.  That's this QB draft in a nutshell, there's 2-3 that could-possibly-maybe turn into a franchise QB, but the packing is very questionable.  We waited until the 11th hour and now are desperate.  So do we still take a chance on these noticeably flawed products anyway?

My answer is no. 

You're asking the wrong questions.

What you, me or anyone on here believes about any of these QB prospects is completely and utterly irrelevant.  All that matters is what our scouts think, and then, assuming the organization is structured and run in a responsible way, our front office acting on those opinions.

If our scouts look at ANY of these QB prospects and say "This is a franchise QB", it would be irresponsible in the extreme to not draft that guy.  Even the best scouts and evaluators are wrong regarding QB prospects half the time.  Who are we as fans to think we know better?  It's a coin flip man.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
AU-panther Mentor

AU-panther

Posted
  • Author
Posted
Just now, 45catfan said:

Rhule is still here, that won't be too difficult.

You might be right but you can't count on that.  There is alot of parity in the NFL.  

Most people agree Miami tried to tank for Tua a few years ago and still drafted 5th.  Tua ended falling, but that doesn't change the fact there are always a lot of bad teams.

Think about this.  If you reverse all of our one score games (the games we won and lost), we go 9-8 and I think make the playoffs.  The difference between winning and losing in the league is small.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
mrcompletely11 Grand Master

mrcompletely11

Posted
Posted
Just now, BrianS said:

You're asking the wrong questions.

What you, me or anyone on here believes about any of these QB prospects is completely and utterly irrelevant.  All that matters is what our scouts think, and then, assuming the organization is structured and run in a responsible way, our front office acting on those opinions.

If our scouts look at ANY of these QB prospects and say "This is a franchise QB", it would be irresponsible in the extreme to not draft that guy.  Even the best scouts and evaluators are wrong regarding QB prospects half the time.  Who are we as fans to think we know better?  It's a coin flip man.

Here is where our philosophies probably differ.  I dont think scouts get it wrong per se, I think its all about the situation.  Drop just about any qb into a poo situation and they are going to suck.  How many jet qb failures do you have to see to say hey maybe its the franchise not the player.  There is no way Fields is as bad as he looked this year IMO.  It was a poo show of a coaching staff.   I know its not feasible to every team but the way KC did with pat is picture perfect.  Build the line, have a great mentor teaching and a great coachign staff and simply let him sit to ease the pressure off.

 

What would mahoomes look like starting his rookie year on a team like the jets?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
LinvilleGorge Grand Master

LinvilleGorge

Posted
Posted
9 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

2020: Burrow, Tua and Herbert...all were considered can't miss prospects.  Yes, 3 is rare, but at least 2 Qbs nearly every draft class.  I have yet to see the praises sung of Corral and Pickett.  Don't get it twisted, these are the only two that have a shot at #6.  Reach isn't a strong enough word to describe Howell and Willis at #6.  Desperate would be more accurate.

Yeah, a guy in Tua coming off a Bo Jackson'd hip was "can't miss". 😆

Link to comment
Share on other sites
45catfan Grand Master

45catfan

Posted
Posted
4 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

The 1st QB at 12 this year could have a higher grade than the 5th QB next year at 12.  Ranking is irrelevant, all that matters is grade.

If next years class is so talented they might be gone by the time we pick.  Everyone talks about this past class being so talented but the fact is only 2 of the top 5 were available where we picked.  

You can't compare Trevor and Wilson to next years class because they weren't available.

In reality the comparison is more like:

Fields and Jones vs Howell, Corral, Pickett, Willis.  When you look at it like that it doesn't look as different.

 

 

Bingo!  I didn't like Fields or Jones.  They will be average QBs.  Jones will likely have a decent career if he stays at New England under Belichick...strictly as a game manager.

That said, we don't have the staff nor structure to coddle a QB like Jones nor develop a guy like Fields.  So you are hoping to draft one of these guys, prey they don't get David Carr'ed and in 2023 when Rhule is fired we can undo the the damage done in the guy's rookie year with a new staff?  Brilliant!!!!

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
mrcompletely11 Grand Master

mrcompletely11

Posted
Posted
4 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

You might be right but you can't count on that.  There is alot of parity in the NFL.  

 

Yes you can.

 

what that there below is data.  A trend even.  We are going to suck monkey balls next season as long as sam is the qb and rhule is the coach

 

Rhules first 2 draft picks:  Pick 8.  Pick 6

Sam Darnold first 4 seasons:  Pick 3. Pick 11.  Pick 2. Pick 6

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • MHS831
      Round 1: The Carolina Panthers select OT Monroe Freeling (Georgia)

      By MHS831 · Posted

      When I arrived at college, I was 18, not too much younger than some of these draft picks.  It was not a huge school, but there were guys on the team who were 21, 22, 23....playing ahead of me.  I was seventh on the depth chart.  Those guys have been through a few seasons, were stronger, more knowledgeable.  I was a better raw player than some of them, but those other factors matter.  As I grew stronger, more familiar with the playbook, and learned what it was like to play in college, I gradually improved and with that, I rose up the depth chart.  It took most of my freshman year for the light to come on.  Had the coach thrown me into the starting lineup day 1, I would have probably failed.    And that was college.  So I agree with you based on my experience on a much lower level.  Frankly, I think that is why so many kids drafted to fill huge gaps bust.  The teams are desperate.  Anyone who looks to fill vacancies in the starting lineup through the draft is desperate.  You draft depth to develop.  For this reason, I say, "Let Walker start for a while."  Maybe Brazzell can be our WR 4.  Throw Hunter into a rotation and ask him to do one or two things.  Freeling needs some strength and he needs to work on run blocking.
    • MHS831
      2027: Sharing my thoughts on the cap without a lotta research

      By MHS831 · Posted

      I see Bryce's development this way: He improved when his supporting cast improved.  TMac and Dowdle saved his arse last year, but in fairness, most good QBs have good WRs and good RBs--and good OLs.   The 2025 OL underperformed, actually. They were above average, but they should have been elite if you consider the salary cap.   As soon as we signed Lewis and Hunt, I started thinking, "That's not sustainable.  With Ickey about to get paid a LT salary, Moton and Hunt grabbling $50m per season combined, and Lewis around $17m--that would be nearly $100m and the Center just walked.  Yikes.  What does that mean?  Rico walks, Mays walks, and we do not have a top 5 WR on a second contract.  We do not have an elite TE, and only 1 is on a modest second contract. And now Bryce will demand $50m for his incremental rise to mediocrity?   So when we sign Bryce, we will get weaker at other positions.  Hunt, Moton, maybe Ickey and Lewis, will all be casualties--that is the right move regardless (not sure yet about Ickey, but he was not elite) Bryce is one lucky, entitled camper.  No competition since being drafted, and he lost his job for a while to the aging clipboard holder.  Now we are bringing in UDFAs and busts to compete with him.  
    • 45catfan
      Bryce Young 5th year option exercised

      By 45catfan · Posted

      Probably not.  If we are taking a QB, it would be a prospect to replace Bryce and not a flyer type player.  I can't say for sure, but I doubt he would have cracked the top 3-4 QBs even if he were to play this coming season.  
×
×
  • Create New...