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7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Love is probably a flat out bust.

He could be.. 

But if you get the OT and him you have a great Oline and cheap competition for Darnold...

I'm going to be Honest.. I don't think any Qb you draft this year is assured to beat out Darnold for the job anyway...

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you can’t “make smart moves” if you’re trying to equate the value of a quarterback to a ancillary position like tackle

there will be another half dozen “all world tackles” in the next draft, and the one after that, and the one after that. 

opportunities to take the 1st QB off the board are rare

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They have three options besides the draft.

JImmy G., Baker, and  possibly Minshew. Jimmy G. (meh...shoulder problems..not thrilled), Baker (coming off surgery and looks like he is a pain in the ass to deal with), and Minshew (if they can get him for a lower draft pick).

Out of the three, I personally think Minshew is the way to go.

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1 minute ago, Growl said:

you can’t “make smart moves” if you’re trying to equate the value of a quarterback to a ancillary position like tackle

there will be another half dozen “all world tackles” in the next draft, and the one after that, and the one after that. 

opportunities to take the 1st QB off the board are rare

LT is 1 step down form QB.. So let's not act like it's a under valued position..

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Just now, Jmac said:

They have three options besides the draft.

JImmy G., Baker, and  possibly Minshew. Jimmy G. (meh...shoulder problems..not thrilled), Baker (coming off surgery and looks like he is a pain in the ass to deal with), and Minshew (if they can get him for a lower draft pick).

Out of the three, I personally think Minshew is the way to go.

Jimmy G is hurt now and has proven to be either injury prone or just a Game Manager.. That you still will have to Pay over 25 million for and give up more assets to get...

Baker is no different then Sam.. His locker room Hates him.. He has 1 year left on his rookie real.. He is no leader and it would be no different then keeping Sam..

Philly isn't giving up Minshew for cheap if at all  so ppl can stop with this.. They know he is a top level Backup and they don't truly trust their starter.. So Minshew isn't going anywhere unless you give up top assets for that philly can't refuse.. And you would be doing that for Minshew?? Really??

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4 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

LT is 1 step down form QB.. So let's not act like it's a under valued position..

it isn’t. Edge rushers and even press-man corners are more valuable than left tackles in the current NFL where the ball is coming out faster than ever before and QBs are asked to contribute with their mobility, not as a last resort, but as a necessary and ideal trait.  Competent tackles are far easier to find than the players who check all those boxes.
 

Sign a decent veteran OT, every single season, a rotating door of decent players, and your ceiling is the same.  There’s no such thing  as a “franchise” left tackle, no impetus to get “our guy” at that spot, no additional value to doing so. It’s an illusion driven by a dated approach to football from back when building a super bowl team meant lining up your top 5 running back behind an elite LT and dArInG ThEM tO StOp It.

but that isn’t the way things are now.

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17 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Here is what scares me about Love:

You have a team that spent a high pick on him for the sole reason to replace their current QB(Rodgers) at some point.

They have had him in house, in their system, for two years, and think so little of him that they let Rodgers have every bit of leverage and made him the highest paid player ever in the league.

This isn't some QB who went to a bad team that ruins QBs, he is on a team that usually has pretty good QB play.

 

Okay if that is the case.. Then we shouldn't want Jimmy G or Baker..

Because 1 team traded 3 draft picks to replace him and the other team traded picks and paid a guy (facing 22 civil lawsuits) 230 million guaranteed to get rid of him..

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2 minutes ago, Growl said:

it isn’t. Edge rushers and even press-man corners are more valuable than left tackles in the current NFL where the ball is coming out faster than ever before and QBs are asked to contribute with their mobility, not as a last resort, but as a necessary and ideal trait.  Competent tackles are far easier to find than the players who check all those boxes.
 

Sign a decent veteran OT, every single season, a rotating door of decent players, and your ceiling is the same.  There’s no such thing  as a “franchise” left tackle, no impetus to get “our guy” at that spot, no additional value to doing so. It’s an illusion driven by a dated approach to football from back when building a super bowl team meant lining up your top 5 running back behind an elite LT and dArInG ThEM tO StOp It.

but that isn’t the way things are now.

https://overthecap.com/positional-value-in-the-nfl/amp/

You are wrong.. 

2nd most valuable position in football is LT...

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43 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

at position almost just as important as QB..

Nah. LT is probably the most important guy on the oline (center is very key though), but almost as important as the QB? No single player is even close to the importance of the QB. You can scheme around a poor LT, but you aren't winning with a poor QB. You can win a SB with an average LT. It's very difficult to win a SB with an average QB and forget about a poor one.

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A meaningful swing at QB is immensely more valuable than any “sure” thing you can add to your roster elsewhere 

 

if you told me I had to spend my next three 1st round picks on QBs, and that one one would be a great player (and the other two would not), that approach would be infinitely preferable to simply hoping to get the best guy with one swing based on grade and “getting” to add great tackles or whatever, at any other position, in the other two years

the impact of that position dwarfs any benefit brought to me by any other spot on the field

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