Foreman is our 2

[electro's horse]

10 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

If you base anything around CMC receiving whatsoever you have to put Foreman at #2. His past catch rate % is between 80-100 every year. Chuba looks quick with straight line speed but is vaporized when he hits the D-line wall. All his college highlights were running through a wide open gap straight ahead for whatever yards who cares

chuba has terrible vision as well

on his screen left where he picked up the first down, he should have had another 10 yards but he deeked inside for some reason before going back outside. He very nearly didn't pick up the first down on a play he should have had it by 10-15

[CRA]

I mean the bar for our #2 spot is basically can you catch an easy pass. 

wish they would have added a RB like Ameer before the season started last year instead of once CMC got hurt.  Same applies this year.  Stylistically, I think we should have that diverse pass catcher:runner to sub in for CMC and be there if he got hurt. 
 

 

 

[Carl Spackler]

If you’re going by 2021 draftees, Brady Christensen is a better pass-catcher 

[Carl Spackler]

I wanted Chuba to work out and was stoked when he was drafted, but as has been said before — the more he plays, the less excited I am. And on a related note, when he’s in the backfield instead of Foreman I’m like “ah damn, please don’t throw to him” 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, CRA said:

I mean the bar for our #2 spot is basically can you catch an easy pass. 

wish they would have added a RB like Ameer before the season started last year instead of once CMC got hurt.  Same applies this year.  Stylistically, I think we should have that diverse pass catcher:runner to sub in for CMC and be there if he got hurt. 
 

In fairness, they have found solid replacements for CMC in successive years so there hasn't been a moment where they were fuged because we didn't have a capable RB or the ability to find one.

In a sense, RB production is quite easy to find. However it's basically impossible to replace what CMC creates as a player on offense.

Hence why I always rail against heavy investment into RB's. Production isn't hard to come by. Elite players are but they rarely stay available for extended stretches.

[Carl Spackler]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

In fairness, they have found solid replacements for CMC in successive years so there hasn't been a moment where they were fuged because we didn't have a capable RB or the ability to find one.

In a sense, RB production is quite easy to find. However it's basically impossible to replace what CMC creates as a player on offense.

Hence why I always rail against heavy investment into RB's. Production isn't hard to come by. Elite players are but they rarely stay available for extended stretches.

Production appears nearly impossible to come by outside of CMC, though. Rhule as of now has hit on exactly one draft pick in three years, a rate that surely makes Marty Hurney cackle. 

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Production appears nearly impossible to come by outside of CMC, though. Rhule as of now has hit on exactly one draft pick in three years, a rate that surely makes Marty Hurney cackle. 

I disagree. Mike Davis was extremely productive in 2020. In 2021 the combo of Hubbard and Abdullah was fairly productive.

Did most of those guys struggle running the ball compared to CMC? Absolutely. But, keep in mind CMC is an elite runner. He makes our awful OL blocking look halfway serviceable because of his greatness. 

Now that....you can't duplicate that with a draft pick, a free agent signing or a dumpster dive. The best you can do is improve the blocking situation so you don't NEED an elite runner to generate a capable rushing attack. THAT should be the focus of our building in the future. 

If we get a nasty, physical IOL, we won't even need a CMC to gash people in the run game.

[Jackie Lee]

29 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

chuba has terrible vision as well

on his screen left where he picked up the first down, he should have had another 10 yards but he deeked inside for some reason before going back outside. He very nearly didn't pick up the first down on a play he should have had it by 10-15

He also sucks at run blocking or just doesn't wanna do it. Week 1 when Baker scrambled he completely gave up on his guy and Baker had to do that baseball slide out of bounds when he could have easily jogged out after another 5 yards

[CRA]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

In fairness, they have found solid replacements for CMC in successive years so there hasn't been a moment where they were fuged because we didn't have a capable RB or the ability to find one.

In a sense, RB production is quite easy to find. However it's basically impossible to replace what CMC creates as a player on offense.

Hence why I always rail against heavy investment into RB's. Production isn't hard to come by. Elite players are but they rarely stay available for extended stretches.

I’m not advocating for heavy investment.  Just advocating for the type of depth.  We were able to find Ameer last season.  But it took weeks for him to start getting more involved and he never really got the volume he deserved minus CMC.  If he was already on the roster and locked into the 2 spot when CMC went down we would have been better off.  Ameer was the best RB on the team last year at the end but we didn’t have him ready to go and he wasn’t treated as such largely because he was a midseason add. 

If your offense build around CMC.  You should have a similar style RB IMO behind him so what you do doesn’t have to drastically change.  Hubbard can’t catch. 

Im talking 21 and now 22.  They did have it in 20 with Davis.  And the O didn’t implode in 20 when CMC went down. 

[DMathematics]

Matt and his wife suck at talent evaluation 

[Snake]

Forman was always going to be #2. He's the perfect complement to CMC. Hubbard has some growing to do and his hands suck. 

[Snake]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

I’m not advocating for heavy investment.  Just advocating for the type of depth.  We were able to find Ameer last season.  But it took weeks for him to start getting more involved and he never really got the volume he deserved minus CMC.  If he was already on the roster and locked into the 2 spot when CMC went down we would have been better off.  Ameer was the best RB on the team last year at the end but we didn’t have him ready to go and he wasn’t treated as such largely because he was a midseason add. 

If your offense build around CMC.  You should have a similar style RB IMO behind him so what you do doesn’t have to drastically change.  Hubbard can’t catch. 

Im talking 21 and now 22.  They did have it in 20 with Davis.  And the O didn’t implode in 20 when CMC went down. 

The Hubbard pick was like the LS pick. Just Rhule throwing darts at things he liked in college. We need a HB that can catch the ball and a HB that is a North South guy. Hubbard is neither. 

[1of10Charnatives]

15 hours ago, Panthers Fan 69 said:

 In fact I won a fantasy football championship on dialup internet with that guy   

Tell us grandpa, what did the Sphinx look like when it was new and still had it's nose?

[1of10Charnatives]

2 hours ago, DMathematics said:

Matt and his wife suck at talent evaluation 

We don't pay his wife, so I'm fine with her sucking at talent evaluation. It would be nice if her husband was at least measurably better however.