Great offensive breakdown

[LinvilleGorge]

24 minutes ago, Basbear said:

How does Herbert and Allen look now? 

You trashed both, hardcore...

One is playing like he should have won the 2021 MVP and repeat this year.

The other can prevent it and he, himself win the MVP. 

I said all along Herbert had all the tools. In hindsight, that Oregon staff was morons to handcuff him.

We'll never see another QB improve as dramatically as a passer as Josh Allen did. That guy was WILDLY inaccurate in college and got drafted on height/weight/speed/arm strength measurables. He was a prototypical bust. I'm still in awe.

 

[Basbear]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I said all along Herbert had all the tools. In hindsight, that Oregon staff was morons to handcuff him.

We'll never see another QB improve as dramatically as a passer as Josh Allen did. That guy was WILDLY inaccurate in college and got drafted on height/weight/speed/arm strength measurables. He was a prototypical bust. I'm still in awe.

 

Reads like Matt Rhule wrote it...

[ECHornet]

10 hours ago, Luciu5 said:

When Baker looks off of Moore, there isn't anyone in his face. And even at the point where he threw the ball, he could have climbed the pocket. I'm not even certain what he saw on the right side that he was throwing at. I get Moore was 1 vs 2, but he should have waited until after Moore's cut or gone back to him after looking right.

Not only was DJ double covered, but one DB had inside leverage to DJ’s in-breaking route. I can’t fault Baker for looking away from that to see what may be developing on the other side. 

[ECHornet]

This has been the most enjoyable thread on the Huddle for me this year. Good insight and info. It’s appreciated!

Hopefully the next review is of a win. 

Edited September 15, 2022 by ECHornet

[Icege]

Only halfway through the review so far, but it looks like McAdoo tried to make things easier for the offense by having them call screens and other quick passes to neutralize the Cleveland pass rush. Unfortunately, 9 plays being thrown away (5 pass deflections, 4 fumbles off of the snap that CMC didn't pick up and take off with) really, really hurts. That's basically 3 drives killed by those issues alone.

Looks like they tried to do what Sean Payton talked about in the other thread but had issues out the gate.

Edited September 15, 2022 by Icege

[pantherj]

Ok now I really can see what went wrong. Baker is flying through his reads way too fast, and he's not recognizing which receivers will be wide open in a matter of seconds.  He's lacking the mental ability to anticipate which player should be wide open in a few seconds even when he's looking right at that player. If Baker had played better we would have had a 50 burger. Also Baker's pocket awareness is poop sometimes. He must have been in full on panic attack at times in that game. He's got to calm down and stop rushing. Relax. Look. Think.

Another problem is Ian Thomas anytime he's asked to be involved in a run play. Good grief. Also Ian got gassed badly and started to clearly run slower and lose strength in blocking.

Pat is not as bad as he looks on regular camera angles. He's actually somewhat stout and rather intelligent in spotting stunts. The problem with Pat is that he really lacks power in run blocking. He's just not strong enough.

DJ and Robby were carving that Browns secondary to pieces, and Shi to a lesser extent. A better QB would have completely destroyed that secondary.

I wanted to draft Evan Neal over Icky and this game really reminded me why. Evan had beautiful technique in college, his kick step was elite, and his hands were powerful, quick, and precise. Icky was out there trying to pass block by shuffling around like we found a random dude out of the stands. WTH? The o-line coach had to be crapping a brink when he saw the footage of that game. 

CMC is insanely good. That was otherworldly. Never seen him from that perspective. Like a rabbit dodging and bursting through a pack of wolves or something. Crazy.

Edited September 16, 2022 by pantherj

[Martin]

3 hours ago, pantherj said:

Ok now I really can see what went wrong. Baker is flying through his reads way too fast, and he's not recognizing which receivers will be wide open in a matter of seconds.  He's lacking the mental ability to anticipate which player should be wide open in a few seconds even when he's looking right at that player. If Baker had played better we would have had a 50 burger. Also Baker's pocket awareness is poop sometimes. He must have been in full on panic attack at times in that game. He's got to calm down and stop rushing. Relax. Look. Think.

Another problem is Ian Thomas anytime he's asked to be involved in a run play. Good grief. Also Ian got gassed badly and started to clearly run slower and lose strength in blocking.

Pat is not as bad as he looks on regular camera angles. He's actually somewhat stout and rather intelligent in spotting stunts. The problem with Pat is that he really lacks power in run blocking. He's just not strong enough.

DJ and Robby were carving that Browns secondary to pieces, and Shi to a lesser extent. A better QB would have completely destroyed that secondary.

I wanted to draft Evan Neal over Icky and this game really reminded me why. Evan had beautiful technique in college, his kick step was elite, and his hands were powerful, quick, and precise. Icky was out there trying to pass block by shuffling around like we found a random dude out of the stands. WTH? The o-line coach had to be crapping a brink when he saw the footage of that game. 

CMC is insanely good. That was otherworldly. Never seen him from that perspective. Like a rabbit dodging and bursting through a pack of wolves or something. Crazy.

How did Neal look last week? I know he struggled at RT during pre-season, but I did not watch the Giants game, but it sounds like you did. I always thought Cross was the most ready pass protection LT, and Ickey was the best run game LT with very high upside as a pass protector. I feel Neal is too big and not a LT. But I’m the first to admit I’m no expert evaluating O-line.

[pantherj]

7 minutes ago, Martin said:

How did Neal look last week? I know he struggled at RT during pre-season, but I did not watch the Giants game, but it sounds like you did. I always thought Cross was the most ready pass protection LT, and Ickey was the best run game LT with very high upside as a pass protector. I feel Neal is too big and not a LT. But I’m the first to admit I’m no expert evaluating O-line.

First I'm just a fan and not in any way an expert.

I went to look at his pre-season games because I wanted to see why people were saying he looked bad. DEs were doing a technique where you grab the pads of the tackle and pull down to throw him off balance. They were doing that to Neal and he wasn't ready for it and sometimes he would even fall down. The refs were letting them play, and Neal got a lesson from the vet DEs.

Check out this video of Neal in his first game. Watch his kick step and hands and balance. Yeah he's overstepping but you can fix that. That is a LT imo. I know a dancing bear when I see one, but he is too green. He'll get better.

And preseason.

 

[TheCasillas]

@Martin and @pantherj https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/178803-giants-the-previous-game-is-under-review/

[pantherj]

Evan doesn't look as good as in college because they changed the landmark he has to get to so he is coming out more horizontal than vertical in pass pro. He is basically struggling sometimes to get to his third kick step because he has to move faster when he would rather be more vertical. The thing is that if he gets that footwork down pat so that that third kick step is set before contact then he's basically a wall. When he got to his landmark on time he had his way with the Titans from what little I saw. He tossed one Titan rusher right to the turf.

[pantherj]

The worst pass blocking plays for Neal will be if he fails to get to that third step in pass pro then he might make contact with his feet almost crossed. If his feet are set it's a wrap usually.

 

[pantherj]

I'd like to see the whole Giants game but all I have are some highlights from youtube. From little I can see the negatives for Neal are that he is sometimes making initial contact with his feet almost touching, and that is a result of them changing what he is used to from college. Another negative would be he gets too top heavy sometimes.

To make this Panthers related I'd like to see Burns go against Neal that might work to our advantage.

[pantherj]

So I wondered around youtube since I am off today and I found a play where Neal got to his third step by rushing like hell, and it's so funny because the Titan defender just went inside and because Neal rushed out there to fast he got beat somewhat on the inside. I think vets are having a bit of fun with him. He's just so inexperienced.

[TheCasillas]

44 minutes ago, pantherj said:

The worst pass blocking plays for Neal will be if he fails to get to that third step in pass pro then he might make contact with his feet almost crossed. If his feet are set it's a wrap usually.

 

 

34 minutes ago, pantherj said:

I'd like to see the whole Giants game but all I have are some highlights from youtube. From little I can see the negatives for Neal are that he is sometimes making initial contact with his feet almost touching, and that is a result of them changing what he is used to from college. Another negative would be he gets too top heavy sometimes.

To make this Panthers related I'd like to see Burns go against Neal that might work to our advantage.

 

23 minutes ago, pantherj said:

So I wondered around youtube since I am off today and I found a play where Neal got to his third step by rushing like hell, and it's so funny because the Titan defender just went inside and because Neal rushed out there to fast he got beat somewhat on the inside. I think vets are having a bit of fun with him. He's just so inexperienced.

I broke all of this down in the thread I linked you above when I tagged you.