Does Tepper keep Fitt and let him hire his own coach?

[rippadonn]

I'd trust Fitty with a up and comer like Luke (If we don't the Bills might). I don't know if Fitty could handle Jim Harbaugh. Both would be more interesting than this embarrassing sh*t show.

[SmokinwithWilly]

22 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Soooo.... what you're saying is...

"He might not suck if not for Matt Rhule."

No. I'm saying this team might not suck if it weren't for Rhule. 

As GM, he's done his job bringing in pieces that fit Matt Rhule's philosophy. It's not his fault Rhules philosophy is poo. 

[rippadonn]

I don't know if Luke can. I think with him it's a must. There would be no better figurehead to rebuild the Panthers. I'd love to see this team coached by former players lead by LK. Win or lose, that's building legacy.

[Mr. Scot]

14 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm talking about Fitts while poking fun at your tendency to dig in on certain stances and argue them for years even when everyone else has moved on amd accepted that yeah, that dude sucked. 

Listen, I liked Gettleman too and thought we screwed up firing him but hindsight clearly showed he deserved to be fired though reinstating Hurney was beyond idiotic.

Like it or not, were tied to Tepper. He's the owner. He hired Fitts. That's why I'm so baffled with you acting like him hiring a GM would be so awful while defending Fitts who was hired by Tepper. You're essentially arguing against yourself.

That's a lot of spin to avoid actually defending your argument.

Fitterer wasn't one of Tepper's guys. In fact, none of the guys Tepper actually suggested even made it to the second round of interviews.

He wasn't one of Rhule's original suggestions either. In fact, he only came along as part of the process after Tepper and Rhule had trouble coming to any sort of consensus on their early candidates.

Basically, he was the one guy that the two of them were willing to compromise on.

But hey, since you're prepared to fire him as well, are you also prepared to cut guys like Horn, Ickey and others that he drafted? You've said he's a bad drafter, so are we parting ways with the draft picks?

For that matter, how about pre Fitterer guys like Jeremy Chinn? He started off great but now is ineffective. Since you don't seem to believe coaching has that much of an impact, it must be Chinn himself, right?

Edited September 20, 2022 by Mr. Scot

[SmokinwithWilly]

15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Did you see Matt Corral play in preseason? You sure you want Fitts wielding that card when we swing on our next franchise QB?

You're going to judge a guy as success or failure because he gets 3 snaps in practice while a guy who never legitimately had a chance to make any team baring injuries got 50% in preseason. He never stood a chance against Rhule's pet project. 

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's a lot of spin to avoid actually defending your argument.

Fitterer wasn't one of Tepper's guys. In fact, none of the guys Tepper actually suggested even made it to the second round of interviews.

He wasn't one of Rhule's original suggestions either. In fact, he only came along as part of the process after Tepper and Rhule had trouble coming to any sort of consensus on their early candidates.

Basically, he was the one guy that the two of them were willing to compromise on.

But hey, since you're prepared to fire him as well, are you also prepared to cut guys like Horn, Ickey and others that he drafted? He said he's a bad grafter, so are we parting ways with the draft picks?

For that matter, how about free Fitterer guys like Jeremy Chinn? He started off great but now is ineffective. Since you don't seem to believe coaching has that much of an impact, it must be Chinn himself, right?

Yeah, when we fired Hurney we should've cut Cam and Luke, right?

Still waiting for that argument that doesn't boil down to "he might not suck if not for Matt Rhule".

Still watching his draft picks look lukewarm at best. Still watching his trades look like flops. Still watching his vet additions not make an impact.

Yeah, Rhule and company suck. Not arguing against that. Just saying I'm seeing nothing to argue for saving Scott Fitterer's hide. He looks like part of the problem.

[Carl Spackler]

Can’t hire a coach til you fire a coach, and that won’t be until ‘24

[Carl Spackler]

Still got about 30 more consecutive losses til he’s axed

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

You're going to judge a guy as success or failure because he gets 3 snaps in practice while a guy who never legitimately had a chance to make any team baring injuries got 50% in preseason. He never stood a chance against Rhule's pet project. 

Are we going to pretend he didn't look absolutely dreadful? Are we going to pretend that he didn't have significant durability concerns and then ended up on IR before the season started?

Maybe he'll end up working out yet. But it would be a shocking development based on what we saw.

[bandu]

if we had an actual GM that had any common sense whatsoever Matt Rhule would've been packing by now...

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, when we fired Hurney we should've cut Cam and Luke, right?

Still waiting for that argument that doesn't boil down to "he might not suck if not for Matt Rhule".

Still watching his draft picks look lukewarm at best. Still watching his trades look like flops. Still watching his vet additions not make an impact.

Yeah, Rhule and company suck. Not arguing against that. Just saying I'm seeing nothing to argue for saving Scott Fitterer's hide. He looks like part of the problem.

Except you are... exactly that, whether you mean to or not.

The draft picks look bad, but it's got nothing to do with how they're being coached. They just are.

The coaching is bad, but that has nothing to do with why the free agents and trades look bad. They just do.

See how ridiculous that sounds?

Edited September 20, 2022 by Mr. Scot

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, bandu said:

if we had an actual GM that had any common sense whatsoever Matt Rhule would've been packing by now...

How exactly does a GM who doesn't have authority over the head coach fire him?

(Tepper gave Rhule full control when he hired him)

[rippadonn]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Are we going to pretend he didn't look absolutely dreadful? Are we going to pretend that he didn't have significant durability concerns and then ended up on IR before the season started?

Maybe he'll end up working out yet. But it would be a shocking development based on what we saw.

That's the only knock. I'm not saying Rhule didn't sabotage but THAT is the only credible knock on Corral. Everything else, his skills, arm, velocity, accuracy are on par with anybody else with first and second stringers protecting him.

It was said he got stepped on. That usually means friendly fire.

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Except you are... exactly that, whether you mean to or not.

The coaching is bad, but that's not why the draft picks look bad. They just do.

The coaching is bad, but that has nothing to do with why the free agents and trades look bad. They just do.

See how ridiculous that sounds?

Says the guy who doesn't want to trust Tepper to hire a GM but is defending the GM Tepper has already hired like he's some proven commodity. At least when you did this with Gettleman he had actually assembled a 15-1 roster than went to the Super Bowl.

That's what I'm saying here. Fitterer is completely unproven. There's nothing of substance to point to in order to argue that he's the right guy. Literally the only argument is that he might not suck if not for Matt Rhule. That's the entire argument. My argument is that's not enough.