If we traded Burns

[Aussie Tank]

5 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

people here dont seem to understand all 1st round picks are not equal.  Burns taken at what 14-15 almost assures you he is one of the top 2 or so players at his position. you take the rams 28th or 32 pick those guys on the trade value chart might not equal up to the caliber player burns is. those picks might not =the value of the 15 pick on the trade value chart. Not to mention it was a outstanding pass rusher draft.

we have seen classes where there are very few edge rushers that go in the first so what if that year is next year?  also saying he isnt worth it is dumb. If a super bowl team like the ram who evaluates talent better than draft picks say hey we will give you 2 1st and a second for your young stud then guess what they see the talent and value as well.

Your giving the Rams way to much credit their ship has sailed. They’re the luckiest side at the deadline because we said no 

[NYPantherFan]

3 hours ago, Shotgun said:

These would have been a our next drafts if we had made the Burns trade. Looks like a good way to rebuild a team to me.

2023: 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5

2024: 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 5, 6

2025: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7

I'd say this with freed up cap space in more appealing to a head coach than Brian Burns

[mickeye76]

3 hours ago, Shotgun said:

These would have been a our next drafts if we had made the Burns trade. Looks like a good way to rebuild a team to me.

2023: 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 4, 5

2024: 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 5, 6

2025: 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7

if you tear it all down though the rebuild takes longer. a pass rusher and number 1 WR are part of the formula for a winning franchise. with Burns and Moore gone that is two more pieces we would have to replace likely with premium picks.  picks we can use instead on other missing parts like QB, the other DE, and linebackers. moving CMC made sense because of injury concerns and that a committee of non premium picks can produce alongside Foreman.  we will be greatly improved after this next draft if we hit on our picks. leaving this draft with either Young, Stround, or Anderson in the first will help nearly immediately.  Hooker/Anderson or Young/ Gibbs makes us more dangerous. 

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[flagfootballcoach28]

Not trading Burns is going to set this franchise back an extra 5 years. Burns will only be a detriment anyways when we sign him to a huge extension while we’re still rebuilding 

[micnificent28]

47 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

The grammar in this post is impressive. 

your knowledge is the opposite of impressive.

[micnificent28]

34 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

Your giving the Rams way to much credit their ship has sailed. They’re the luckiest side at the deadline because we said no 

I mean they did just win a super bowl within the last year so yeah its justified.

[micnificent28]

36 minutes ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

Coping hard here

I mean I dont know what else to tell you. Your buying late first round picks which are essentially a second and a late 2nd round pick essentially a 3rd and hoping you get a player of burns caliber or better. 

[flagfootballcoach28]

1 minute ago, micnificent28 said:

I mean they did just win a super bowl within the last year so yeah its justified.

Have you not watched the Rams play this year? They’re old and slow. No o-line. Defense has regressed. NFL changes on a yearly basis. Their 2024 2025 picks will be better than you might expect. 

[Shotgun]

28 minutes ago, mickeye76 said:

if you tear it all down though the rebuild takes longer. a pass rusher and number 1 WR are part of the formula for a winning franchise. with Burns and Moore gone that is two more pieces we would have to replace likely with premium picks.  picks we can use instead on other missing parts like QB, the other DE, and linebackers. moving CMC made sense because of injury concerns and that a committee of non premium picks can produce alongside Foreman.  we will be greatly improved after this next draft if we hit on our picks. leaving this draft with either Young, Stround, or Anderson in the first will help nearly immediately.  Hooker/Anderson or Young/ Gibbs makes us more dangerous. 

We could also sign a free agent DE for less then what we will have pay Burns and probably get similar performance.  Use the picks on whatever. 

[UnluckyforSome]

1 minute ago, flagfootballcoach28 said:

Have you not watched the Rams play this year? They’re old and slow. No o-line. Defense has regressed. NFL changes on a yearly basis. Their 2024 2025 picks will be better than you might expect. 

The Rams struggles really all get down to the lack of consistent and quality oline play. They don't have great backs, and they don't have a great line in front of them, so they struggle with being 1 dimensional with Kupp. They still have enough that they will be .500ish for the season. 

While the proposed trade sure sounds good, keep in mind that those players would have to be immediately replaced with unproven players, since there are no candidates on the roster to move into those spots and perform at that level. It would represent tearing everything down, which may or may not be necessary for depending on opinion.

[Aussie Tank]

8 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I mean they did just win a super bowl within the last year so yeah its justified.

Yep definitely not the same side

[Paa Langfart]

56 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

Missed opportunity

That you Ron ?

[Shotgun]

1 minute ago, UnluckyforSome said:

The Rams struggles really all get down to the lack of consistent and quality oline play. They don't have great backs, and they don't have a great line in front of them, so they struggle with being 1 dimensional with Kupp. They still have enough that they will be .500ish for the season. 

While the proposed trade sure sounds good, keep in mind that those players would have to be immediately replaced with unproven players, since there are no candidates on the roster to move into those spots and perform at that level. It would represent tearing everything down, which may or may not be necessary for depending on opinion.

Keep in mind that Burns will want/get 30 mill a year. That $ gets you players to replace the ones you trade.

[UnluckyforSome]

Just now, Shotgun said:

Keep in mind that Burns will want/get 30 mill a year. That $ gets you players to replace the ones you trade.

Of course. There is a business side to the sport as well. 

One thing I would point out, there are certain positions that are considered premium. LT, QB and pass rush. Those are need-to-haves. WR and CB right behind. 

So either we pay the man market value, or we play the market and see what we can draft. Either way it's going to be an expenditure because pass rush is not a luxury. 

I completely understand looking at the trade and thinking why didn't we take it. Maybe it was the wrong decision. At the end of the day though something will have to be spent on the spot, either picks or dollars, since it's a must-have.