Drake Maye

[ForJimmy]

15 minutes ago, djp14 said:

Darnold was 8-9 as a starter in Carolina. I don't think rolling with him would've gotten us the 3rd pick in the draft. 

People overlook this all the time.  If we don't make the dumb trade to pick 1 we probably aren't picking the top 5 next year to draft Maye/WIlliams.  Getting rid of DJ Moore, throwing in a rookie QB, losing the draft capital etc all helped lead to that top pick the Bears got.  The trade is part of the crash/failure.  

[NAS]

56 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

People overlook this all the time.  If we don't make the dumb trade to pick 1 we probably aren't picking the top 5 next year to draft Maye/WIlliams.  Getting rid of DJ Moore, throwing in a rookie QB, losing the draft capital etc all helped lead to that top pick the Bears got.  The trade is part of the crash/failure.  

We weren't picking top 5 when we drafted Bryce.  We gave up the haul because we had to trade up from 9 to 1.    No reason to think we couldn't have done the same the year after.  We would have either gotten Drake or Caleb.  

[djp14]

6 minutes ago, NAS said:

We weren't picking top 5 when we drafted Bryce.  We gave up the haul because we had to trade up from 9 to 1.    No reason to think we couldn't have done the same the year after.  We would have either gotten Drake or Caleb.  

That's not the argument, though. This was:

"All we had to do was roll with Darnold 1 more year and Maye was ours."

 

[NAS]

3 minutes ago, djp14 said:

That's not the argument, though. This was:

"All we had to do was roll with Darnold 1 more year and Maye was ours."

 

Wish we did continue to roll with Darnold, but honestly we had no future with Fitterer as our GM, we still would have been terrible

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, NAS said:

Wish we did continue to roll with Darnold, but honestly we had no future with Fitterer as our GM, we still would have been terrible

Yeah, Gettleman to back to Hurney to Fitts was just destined to end in a gutted roster. No way around it. 

[ForJimmy]

22 minutes ago, NAS said:

We weren't picking top 5 when we drafted Bryce.  We gave up the haul because we had to trade up from 9 to 1.    No reason to think we couldn't have done the same the year after.  We would have either gotten Drake or Caleb.  

The price to move up to get a QB in Bryce's draft was cheaper than normal because it was a weak class.  Remember the Vikings wanted to trade up with NE for Drake Maye and they declined their offer.  So you are still assuming two pretty big things.  1 the team positioned to draft Maye would be willing to move on from the pick (they weren't). 2 is that we would be so sold on him that we would give up a haul to move up.  

[NAS]

8 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

The price to move up to get a QB in Bryce's draft was cheaper than normal because it was a weak class.  Remember the Vikings wanted to trade up with NE for Drake Maye and they declined their offer.  So you are still assuming two pretty big things.  1 the team positioned to draft Maye would be willing to move on from the pick (they weren't). 2 is that we would be so sold on him that we would give up a haul to move up.  

Fair point.  I think we were always stuck in purgatory where the owner / GM never were willing to fully reset the roster and get a top pick without having to trade assets.  It's no coincidence that the good franchises like NE are able to rebuild so quickly, the right way.  

[ForJimmy]

10 minutes ago, NAS said:

Fair point.  I think we were always stuck in purgatory where the owner / GM never were willing to fully reset the roster and get a top pick without having to trade assets.  It's no coincidence that the good franchises like NE are able to rebuild so quickly, the right way.  

Yeah we definitely need some stability and talent on this roster.  This recent draft class is showing promise and hopefully we can build on that.  I still kind of wish Canales would hire a play caller at this stage in his career.