McCaffrey: Because, of course

[frankw]

41 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Winning and losing are a team stat.

Good to know we've made this official after ten years of complaints about the fashion sense and showboating from a certain quarterback who definitely should have dove on that fumble.

[Jon Snow]

[Mr. Scot]

35 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

It's not because of McCaffrey, but at the end of the day the team wasn't winning when he was here.

McCaffrey is great at breaking records, but he's expensive and his ground production readily replaced.

And again, apart from one season, the same could be said of Newton.

1 hour ago, Call Me James said:

As if that hasn't been the narrative here.

And it's a false one, but creating another false narrative doesn't fix it.

[Mr. Scot]

23 minutes ago, frankw said:

Good to know we've made this official after ten years of complaints about the fashion sense and showboating from a certain quarterback who definitely should have dove on that fumble.

It was always official.

[frankw]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

It was always official.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, frankw said:

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You're basically arguing with imaginary people at this point.

Granted, that's easier than arguing with what people actually say.

[Krovvy]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

And again, apart from one season, the same could be said of Newton.

And it's a false one, but creating another false narrative doesn't fix it.

And again, McCaffrey despite breaking records, did not add to the win total.

Cam Newton inarguably did, making the team relevant and willing us to a Super Bowl.

Edited January 13, 2023 by Krovvy

[Mr. Scot]

17 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

And again, McCaffrey despite breaking records, did not add to the win total.

Cam Newton inarguably did, making the team relevant and willing us to a Super Bowl.

This is what we call...a double standard.

If you want to use something like that, it's up to you, but in doing so you forfeit the right to complain when somebody else does the same.

I would add you also open the door to anyone who wants to say that Newton dragged us down during the losing seasons he had here, and you will have nullified your ability to argue otherwise.

Edited January 13, 2023 by Mr. Scot

[Panthers8969]

On 1/11/2023 at 5:04 PM, bigdog10 said:

I’d still make the trade we did 100 times out of 100. 
 

rare win win trade. 
 

Niners got a great player who may be able to help them win a championship. We got some cap relief and a haul for a running back who has been really unlucky with injuries. 

We may well have gotten the last pick in the second round. This trade is looking real bad unless niners get upset round one. Should’ve traded him to the fuging rams 

[panthersphan]

Should've never traded CMC. Anyone saying it was a win trade for the Panthers is either clueless or a homer (or both)...

Just imagine what an incoming offensive minded head coach could do with CMC here... 

 

Are we gonna even resign D'Onta? Or try and fill that void via free agency or the draft? I mean there are some names in FA but we'll never be able to find another CMC. 

Edited January 13, 2023 by panthersphan

[Mr. Scot]

Been mulling this over, and decided in order to clarify the real issue here, I'll tell ya what I've seen in the time I've been watching the Panthers.

This team has had...

One of the best offensive weapons since LaDainian Tomlinson in Christian McCaffrey...

One of the most physically insane specimens to ever play quarterback in Cam Newton...

An equally insane physical freak on the other side of the ball in Julius Peppers...

One of the best linebackers in the history of the game in Luke Kuechly...

A tight end capable of three straight thousand yard seasons in Greg Olsen...

A hard hitting and incredibly resilient linebacker in Thomas Davis...

A backfield that could drive opposing defenses nuts with both power and speed in the combo of DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart...

And speaking of power and speed, one of the most intimidating receivers ever to see the field in Steve Smith.

There's more of course, but the point is that we've had plenty of great players.

Do any of those guys have championship rings from their time here, though?

No.

Why?

Because for all the talent we've been able to put on the field, what we haven't had are coaches who knew how to maximize the skills those players possessed.

Newton spent most of his career being coached by Mike Shula. Shula and Rivera used him In a way that would have made Buddy Ryan proud, but what they should have been doing from early on is maximizing his passing. That didn't really happen until Norv Turner got here.

Turner did more with Newton in a single offseason than Shula did his entire career here, but by that time Newton's body was already starting to wear down. Eventually, the price of playing him the way Rivera had done came due and not only was that dominant physical specimen gone, but the throwing arm which conceivably could have sustained his career much longer was damaged as well.

Likewise, you had McCaffrey here for his first few years. Similar to Newton, Rivera used him, and used him, and used him, and used him. Rarely in the most effective way possible mind you, but never short on quantity...and thus, wear and tear.

McCaffrey's had better career luck than Newton in that he's now getting the chance to go and work under an offensive coach who knows what to do with him. We've yet to see whether the wear and tear from Rivera's coaching shortens his shelf life like it did Cam's, but at the very least he's got a better chance to be what he can be than he did before.

So yeah, we've had talent. Sometimes more of it, sometimes less of it, but more often than not it's been there.

To quote the great Pete "Maverick" Mitchell though, "It's not the plane. It's the pilot."

The dream we have this offseason Is that maybe we can finally find our "top gun" and he can guide this team and its players down the right path.

Until we do, we're just gonna keep wasting potentially brilliant careers.

Here's hoping...

Edited January 13, 2023 by Mr. Scot

[MechaZain]

@frankw you're not wrong but glossing over San Franciso's success after the trade while pointing to ours is where you lose me. Our success since the trade is just proof that we're stuck in an ancient offensive scheme not that CMC is overrated.

This team is conservative to it's core and tried to fit a non-traditional player into a traditional bellcow RB role. He's an undersized back on a team with a weak offensive line and they were treating him like Le'Veon Ball. He's underwhelming and not worth big money in that role. They correctly recognized his talent was worth it but wrongly bet on the coaching figuring how to make him work for us. 

The organization is trying to evolve now on the coaching end and the o-line is much better. With luck, the next regime will be the type that could actually take advantage of a player like CMC but it probably would have been too late had he stuck around. It was good for both sides that we parted ways when we did.

 

[frankw]

1 hour ago, MechaZain said:

@frankw you're not wrong but glossing over San Franciso's success after the trade while pointing to ours is where you lose me. Our success since the trade is just proof that we're stuck in an ancient offensive scheme not that CMC is overrated.

This team is conservative to it's core and tried to fit a non-traditional player into a traditional bellcow RB role. He's an undersized back on a team with a weak offensive line and they were treating him like Le'Veon Ball. He's underwhelming and not worth big money in that role. They correctly recognized his talent was worth it but wrongly bet on the coaching figuring how to make him work for us. 

The organization is trying to evolve now on the coaching end and the o-line is much better. With luck, the next regime will be the type that could actually take advantage of a player like CMC but it probably would have been too late had he stuck around. It was good for both sides that we parted ways when we did.

 

Not glossing over them. SF was a good well coached team before the trade and they are better now. As a pass catcher McCaffrey is not overrated he's always been pretty lethal in that role. The question is like with us when we were making McCaffrey the focal point becomes is that sustainable? You've got a guy running catching and throwing? Certainly impressive. Will it knock off the best teams in the league? We'll see. The NFL always adjusts eventually and if playoff teams shut some of that down the stakes change. We've seen it ourselves. What the Panthers need is a more versatile offense we've gotten a peek at that with some very mediocre at best QB's and not fantastic coaching. We are not far off from competing. Get a better offensive staff in here and a talented young quarterback and we are cooking.

[Call Me James]

10 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

And again, apart from one season, the same could be said of Newton.

And it's a false one, but creating another false narrative doesn't fix it.

The Panthers replaced CMCs production pretty well with RB by committee with folks already on the roster.

We've been attempting to replace Cam's production for a half decade.

It is what it is. End of the day I don't think a player should win comeback player of the year for coming back from a tweaked hamstring and a rolled ankle.