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This is starting to get nasty with coach wilks.

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1 minute ago, TheMaulClaw said:

I hear that but Reich's daughter was hired weeks ago and like Florio said...attorneys will latch onto that because it would be more shocking if that was coincidence.

Fair, but I know nothing of his daughter’s credentials for the position. I don’t want to speculate or potentially discount her professional acumen. She is from the area so it’s not completely outlandish. However, yes, attorneys will latch onto whatever suits their case.

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7 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

I hear that but Reich's daughter was hired weeks ago and like Florio said...attorneys will latch onto that because it would be more shocking if that was coincidence.

No it wouldn't.

If Wilks attorneys actually try to use that in his case, they'll likely be laughed out of the courtroom.

(and deservedly so)

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4 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Ok let's compare the QBs they had.  Do you think Wilks would have done better on AZ his first year with or without Andrew Luck? We can only compare one season because that's all Wilks was given.

That's a ridiculous argument.

Yes, you can compare more than one season. In fact, you should because to do otherwise is pretty obviously disingenuous.

As to quarterbacks, If you want to bring that into the equation then you have to factor in that Reich was stuck with a quarterback he didn't want last year, so that invalidates your suggestion that last year's records have any meaning.

At this point, I hope you're just trolling because what you're trying to argue for is utterly ridiculous.

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3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

No it wouldn't.

If Wilkes attorneys actually try to use that in his case, they'll likely be laughed out of the courtroom.

(and deservedly so)

That's true. I'm not prosecuting a trial here. I am just asking you personally if you think Wilks would have had a better record if he had Andrew Luck his first year in AZ? Conversely do you think Reich would have the same record had he been stuck with Rosen?

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16 minutes ago, trueblade said:

Put the two resumes side by side and take off the names. You're really trying to say you'd take Wilks?

All you have to do is put a blindfold on after you read the job description and compare the candidates resume. 

You take out anything not related to the job description, including name, race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, nationality, age and anything else not related to the job description. Just give them a number.

Do that and tell which number you come up with. Then tell me the name of the candidate. I'll wait.

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1 minute ago, TheMaulClaw said:

That's true. I'm not prosecuting a trial here. I am just asking you personally if you think Wilks would have had a better record if he had Andrew Luck his first year in AZ? Conversely do you think Reich would have the same record had he been stuck with Rosen?

I'm pretty sure if Wilks had coached a team full of all pros, he might have looked better.

He didn't, and arguing the hypothetical is useless.

Reich managed to coach good performances out of Carson Wentz and a way past his prime Philip Rivers.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's a ridiculous argument.

Yes, you can compare more than one season. In fact, you should because to do otherwise is pretty obviously disingenuous.

As to quarterbacks, If you want to bring that into the equation then you have to factor in that Reich was stuck with a quarterback he didn't want last year, so that invalidates your suggestion that last year's records have any meaning.

At this point, I hope you're just trolling because what you're trying to argue for is utterly ridiculous.

It does not. Reich had an awful record with a QB he didn't choose. Same with Wilks. Wilks did perform better this past season.  Sure Reich had a few more seasons under his belt, but it's not really Wilks fault he didn't have a larger sample size is it?

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm pretty sure if Wilks had coached a team full of all pros, he might have looked better.

He didn't, and arguing the hypothetical is useless.

Reich managed to coach good performances out of Carson Wentz and a way past his prime Philip Rivers.

I didn't say a team with all pros. I said a team with Andrew Luck. Don't stretch it. When you stretch it...it validates my argument. Would Wilks have been 3-13 in AZ if he had Luck?

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I am sure there are legitimate instances of African Americans being passed over because of their race.  I am almost as sure that the Wilks/Carolina job is not one of those instances.  
 

The attorneys might want to look at the situation and assess whether or not the Carolina job helps or hurts their argument.  In my opinion you can easily poke holes in this claim.  

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm pretty sure if Wilks had coached a team full of all pros, he might have looked better.

He didn't, and arguing the hypothetical is useless.

Reich managed to coach good performances out of Carson Wentz and a way past his prime Philip Rivers.

Wilks coached solid performances from Sam Darnold. So what.

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Just now, TheMaulClaw said:

It does not. Reich had an awful record with a QB he didn't choose. Same with Wilks. Wilks did perform better this past season.  Sure Reich had a few more seasons under his belt, but it's not really Wilks fault he didn't have a larger sample size is it?

Reich earned his additional seasons by winning.

Heck, he earned his head coaching job in part by helping a team win a Super Bowl.

Every argument you're trying to make here is based on "what if this happened" or "what if that happened". That makes it pretty clear that your argument doesn't stand up in reality.

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