John Ellis on Stroud v Young

[ForJimmy]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

On the flipside...

 

Yeah he isn't far behind Young in processing and going through reads if at all IMO.  So you basically get that without the size risk.  The biggest negative about Stroud to me is he has always had elite WRs and a great OL around him.  It will be interesting to see if he can stay cool/confident when the playing field is more even.

[stratocatter]

I take the 'from afar" to mean they aren't looking close enough and are missing things. 

[gmonjimbo]

8 hours ago, ncsfinest21 said:

IMO, I'd rather have the player that played all the games except GA that averaged almost 300 yards passing. Id rather he not scramble but only if he has to but showed you he can. Young tries to scramble he will break apart like a lego. 

That's fine. Pointing out Stroud's areas of improvement doesn't mean he shouldn't be considered for the No.1 pick 

"There’s still room for Stroud to become more comfortable as a creator. He has the athleticism and arm to work off-script, but at times, passes up opportunities to create and struggles to stay in control in those situations. Luckily, Stroud’s final game against Georgia was a very promising development in that regard."

If you look at the new trend of QB's that have come out the last six years: Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, Trevor Lawrence, Justin Herbert, Lamar Jackson, etc. They all use their athleticism to create plays off-script (it doesn't mean turning into Michael Vick - it can simply mean extending time in the pocket to find a WR downfield for a big gain) 

I prefer Bryce Young over Stroud because Young can make plays on and off-script consistently over the 20+ games he played. I also like the comments from the Panthers GM about his mental preparation and approach to the game already being at an NFL level. 

I don't think any level-headed Young supporter denies questions about his frame or durability at the next level.

I think the Panthers will draft Stroud. He is the safest pick of all the QBs in this draft. He can run the system that Thomas Brown and Frank Reich will install. Then hopefully get him to a stage where he feels more comfortable using his athleticism (and again not saying read option) to create plays. 

[mrcompletely11]

54 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've seen similar statements before.

There's word of him having an aloof personality that sometimes turns teammates off.

Don't know how valid it is but it's been talked about.

Can you point me to any scouting report that suggests this?

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Can you point me to any scouting report that suggests this?

Bruce Feldman's article mentions him having "a little different personality" and kind of a "blank face". Others have said similar things.

Whether or not it's a negative is kind of open to interpretation. Where some would see it as being cool and even keeled, others might see it as aloof.

I'm not that worried about it myself, but I've made note of it.

Edited March 31, 2023 by Mr. Scot

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Bruce Feldman's article mentions him having "a little different personality" and kind of a "blank face". Others have said similar things.

Whether or not it's a negative is kind of open to interpretation. Where some would see it as being cool and even keeled, others might see it as aloof.

I'm not that worried about it myself, but I've made note of it.

Maybe but there are literally dozens of articles about how his teammates love his demeanor, work ethic and lookerroom/huddle presence.  So color me as IDGAF what national writers think when his teammates seem to want to go to war with him. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

Maybe but there are literally dozens of articles about how his teammates love his demeanor, work ethic and lookerroom/huddle presence.  So color me as IDGAF what national writers think when his teammates seem to want to go to war with him. 

It's fair to point out that leading college kids is a lot different than leading grown men.

Like I said though, I'm not that worried about it, but I make note of it.

[CanadianCat]

Im getting super hydped up about both of these guys, but how do they compare to prospects the last number of years?

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

Im getting super hydped up about both of these guys, but how do they compare to prospects the last number of years?

The Feldman article I just posted really reinforces my feelings about Stroud.

[Jackie Lee]

24 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Maybe but there are literally dozens of articles about how his teammates love his demeanor, work ethic and lookerroom/huddle presence.  So color me as IDGAF what national writers think when his teammates seem to want to go to war with him. 

I would say judging by their pro days and combine interviews, CJ is definitely more the alpha of the two. His competitiveness is starting to come to light more. He was ready to drop the interviews and play horse with McCown at his pro day lol. 

[Wes21]

7 hours ago, frankw said:

"From afar"? What random junk is that?

The hit pieces are about to commence I see lol

It means the clown that was hired to perform at his birthday party noticed that his teammates didn't show up.