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Just for the sake of discussion, is there a correlation between size and injury?

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3 minutes ago, rightturn said:

The large bulk of us think he has elite skills, we just don't think 5'10 180lbs is long for this league.  And coaches in college and front offices in the nil tend to agree

Good thing he's not 180.

College coaches like the greatest one of all time coaching in Tuscaloosa right now? Front offices like the Panthers and Texans?

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4 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

You post that you're ok with any of Young, Stroud, or Richardson being the choice, but it seems like you really don't want it to be Young. 

I will be very happy with either of Young/Stroud, but I think Young is the better QB and should be the choice. I will be very disappointed if we traded what we did to draft Richardson. Especially considering he would be available later and potentially even at #9.

 

Bottom line....if it was a concern of the Panthers and they wanted Bryce to weigh in again at Pro Day, I believe it would have happened. It seems like, at minimum, Bryce's agent thinks they satisfied the concerns of relevant teams at the combine. I am pretty confident Bryce could have taken the hoodie off at the combine and put up a performance similar to his Pro Day. The strategy of his agent was to skip the combine drills, and I can't blame him considering he'll be a top 2 selection. It's like college players skipping meaningless bowl games in an abundance of caution before they make their millions.

I'm fine with Young. I'm just not blind to the size concerns. It's a huge concern.

I think you're flat out wrong about the pro day. Weighing in at the pro day is very much the norm. It's not at all comparable to skipping a meaningless bowl game. That bowl game carries very real injury risks. Weighing in doesn't.

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2 hours ago, rayzor said:

i have been thinking about this and i'm sure most of you have been as well. we're concerned about Young's size and how likely it is for him to get injured by players twice his size.

i know it makes sense that it would be a major concern, but is that concern really warranted? Are smaller framed players, especially QBs, more prone to injury than larger ones?

Just like the issue of batted down passes, there are some players more prone to having them batted down, but it isn't because of their height. Could it be that the stats bear out that size isn't really a factor in frequency of injury for QBs? 

Thanks to @stan786 for finding this article on weight vs. injuries https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/weight-and-injuries

I'm going to let you all look at it and see what you think and also see if you can find anymore studies showing this.

again, it makes sense that it would be a concern, but is the concern warranted by any actual stats? or is it all, "he's so small and they're so big!!!"?

Thanks! That was a really interesting read!

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I have nothing against Young i think he is a great talent, but his supporters acting like he has no concerns at all just annoys me. Like for instance the fact that he operated almost exclusively out the shotgun alone. You dont think that was for a reason? The fact that his Weight has been such a mystery of all things. If you are that great and confident you have nothing to hide. 

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Just now, CPF4LIFE said:

I have nothing against Young i think he is a great talent, but his supporters acting like he has no concerns at all just annoys me. Like for instance the fact that he operated almost exclusively out the shotgun alone. You dont think that was for a reason? The fact that his Weight has been such a mystery of all things. If you are that great and confident you have nothing to hide. 

I'd love to talk about more things like Bryce not playing in the shotgun or if his velocity can translate, etc vs Stroud's pressure stuff, how he works through reads, etc.

Most everything devolves to Young is small and dead immediately.

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8 minutes ago, rightturn said:

Then where are all the qbs under 6ft in the nfl?  Because coaches at early levels don't let kids play qb for fear of injury.  This isn't hard.

Yeah if 99% of QB starters are over 6' tall then most injuries are going to occur to QBs over 6' tall...  I mean I'm not sure what this data is suppose to prove?

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5 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

I have nothing against Young i think he is a great talent, but his supporters acting like he has no concerns at all just annoys me. Like for instance the fact that he operated almost exclusively out the shotgun alone. You dont think that was for a reason? The fact that his Weight has been such a mystery of all things. If you are that great and confident you have nothing to hide. 

This. I have nothing against people wanting Young. I honestly think he's the best QB available. But you have to put on some real blinders to convince yourself the size isn't a legit concern. And you have to poke your eyes completely damn out to convince yourself that there aren't shenanigans behind that combine weight and then not weighing in again at his pro day.

This dude is my size when I was that age. And we're talking about playing QB in the NFL? Yeah, that's a concern. 😂

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10 minutes ago, rightturn said:

Then where are all the qbs under 6ft in the nfl?  Because coaches at early levels don't let kids play qb for fear of injury.  This isn't hard.

Despite the data posted by OP showing otherwise, I’m glad Huddlers kept digging and reached the following conclusion:

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1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

Yeah if 99% of QB starters are over 6' tall then most injuries are going to occur to QBs over 6' tall...  I mean I'm not sure what this data is suppose to prove?

The data in this thread is solely tied to weight, I havent found one that does it with height. There really should be more looks at this imo it is interesting.

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9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm fine with Young. I'm just not blind to the size concerns. It's a huge concern.

I think you're flat out wrong about the pro day. Weighing in at the pro day is very much the norm. It's not at all comparable to skipping a meaningless bowl game. That bowl game carries very real injury risks. Weighing in doesn't.

If I was a gm and he came in for a visit his ass would be getting on a scale esp if my #1 pick and ultimately my job was on the line.

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27 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This. I have nothing against people wanting Young. I honestly think he's the best QB available. But you have to put on some real blinders to convince yourself the size isn't a legit concern. And you have to poke your eyes completely damn out to convince yourself that there aren't shenanigans behind that combine weight and then not weighing in again at his pro day.

Exactly. And we are just talking about stepping on a SCALE... not running a 40 or doing a bench press. 

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