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1 hour ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

To be fair those players weren't helping us win games. So the point is kind of moot.

 

QB has been the #1 reason why we have sucked in the Tepper era.

 

Im banking on Bryce turning that around or at least I hope he does. If not Tepper has set us back even more as a franchise.

true, because we were a poorly built team.   So we cashed them in to build something new.  Under the direction of a new staff.  And first puzzle piece was a rookie QB they hope to build around.   

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50 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Season is over. Why watch the team struggle?

 

 

this is weird mental gymnastics.  People who say we are rebuilding aren't not excited.  Rebuilding properly and doing it the correct way is exciting. 

I can't wait to watch Bryce grow and to build around him.  That's why we drafted him.  To build something around a hopefully special player.  And this team will hopefully learn in time the best way to do that and the type players he will need to maximize his skill set.     

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5 minutes ago, CRA said:

true, because we were a poorly built team.   So we cashed them in to build something new.  Under the direction of a new staff.  And first puzzle piece was a rookie QB they hope to build around.   

Nothing was built even when we had them. We have sucked the entire CMC/Moore era.

 

They were great players, but it meant nothing if the QB didn't play up to par.

 

We got a QB now. Success will come more quickly having a QB who can actually move the chains. Skill players are nice but it means nothing without a legit QB.

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14 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Nothing was built even when we had them. We have sucked the entire CMC/Moore era.

 

They were great players, but it meant nothing if the QB didn't play up to par.

 

We got a QB now. Success will come more quickly having a QB who can actually move the chains. Skill players are nice but it means nothing without a legit QB.

yeah, that's being poorly built.  Having the skill position players but no QB.  And we trashed it all. 

Now we drafted a QB, that we hope develops into what we think he can be.  And will start adding the talent around him he needs in the coming years. 

Tom Brady wasn't Tom Brady his rookie year.  Peyton wasn't Peyton.  Cam wasn't Cam.  And Bryce won't be what we hope he can become either this year. 

 

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yeah, that's being poorly built.  Having the skill position players but no QB.  And we trashed it all. 

Now we drafted a QB, that we hope develops into what we think he can be.  And will start adding the talent around him he needs in the coming years. 

Tom Brady wasn't Tom Brady his rookie year.  Peyton wasn't Peyton.  Cam wasn't Cam.  And Bryce won't be what we hope he can become either this year. 

 

Its almost if that the plan is to build the team around bryce.....hmmmmmmm.........so you might just say we are in a rebuild mode.  Interesting

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37 minutes ago, CRA said:

true, because we were a poorly built team.   So we cashed them in to build something new.  Under the direction of a new staff.  And first puzzle piece was a rookie QB they hope to build around.   

Right. Last years team and the previous teams built by whose name I will not mention were 6 win teams maximum.  Everything about those teams save a handful of players and 2 staff members were purged from BOA. Essentially, that era and team was wadded up and tossed in the trash. 

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36 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Its almost if that the plan is to build the team around bryce.....hmmmmmmm.........so you might just say we are in a rebuild mode.  Interesting

#1 picks are bad teams.

 

People forget we didn't have the #1 pick we had to trade up for it!

 

This roster is not a rebuild roster. We have all our young talent on defense. The Oline is mostly vet guys. WR's are vets and Mingo/TMJ.

 

If that's rebuild then so be it.

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6 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

#1 picks are bad teams.

 

People forget we didn't have the #1 pick we had to trade up for it!

 

This roster is not a rebuild roster. We have all our young talent on defense. The Oline is mostly vet guys. WR's are vets and Mingo/TMJ.

 

If that's rebuild then so be it.

 

Take a look at who your are arguing with. That should tell you all you need to know.

 

If Bryce even sniffs ROY, we will be fighting for a Playoff spot. Rebuilding teams don't fight for a Playoffs spot.

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6 hours ago, CRA said:

Give me your top 5 coaching staffs in the NFL and show me where you got the one of the best in the NFL Carolina staff?   The All Star staff. 

They are all stars in comparison to Matt Rhule's assembled staff.   Which I acknowledge. 

Frank + a first year OC who isn't calling plays + a DC with 1 year in the books in the role ......is not one of the best coaching staffs in the NFL.   

We are in a fine spot w/ our coaching staff.  Best spot we have been in of late.  No need to then exaggerate it.  We have young talent.  That's a good thing.  Potential isn't proven though.   And we likely need Frank to get out the way and be a HC and see what we got in the OC.  Because we know what we have in Frank the playcaller.  And that's pedestrian playcalling at the NFL level to date.  The primary knock of the HC. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2023/2/21/23608498/panthers-coaching-staff-frank-reich-nfl-draft

https://clture.org/carolina-panthers-coaching-staff/

https://theathletic.com/4215424/2023/02/17/carolina-panthers-coaching-staff-experience/

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article272560104.html

 

I could find a dozen more talking about the staff and their quality and experience. Stop while you are behind. You are convincing no one you are right  and clearly are in the minority. Of course nothing is proven until after it happens but by  all accounts this is the best staff we have ever assembled and it is considered one of the best in the NFL. Time will tell.

 

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58 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I could find a dozen more talking about the staff and their quality and experience. Stop while you are behind. You are convincing no one you are right  and clearly are in the minority. Of course nothing is proven until after it happens but by  all accounts this is the best staff we have ever assembled and it is considered one of the best in the NFL. Time will tell.

 

Cool.  Give me your top 5 staffs in the NFL.  Heck do a top 10 if you prefer.   Just list the ones that are better.  You can stop when you get to the Panthers.  

Plenty of people here have talked about the comical overhyping of everything post Rhule around here.  Including this best in NFL coaching staff. 

Finding articles saying they hired a bunch of experience is just that.  Which I acknowledged.   It's also vastly better than Rhule's.  Being a massive upgrade over Rhule doesn't make it a top staff in the NFL.  

Dom Capers and Jim Caldwell being consultants don't make this one of the best staffs in the NFL.  It means you can write articles about the years in the league accounted for here.  They are 70 year olds.   Tepper just did a 180 to the extreme post Rhule.    And Frank is stepping on the young talents toes by doing the playcalling.  Which he isn't very good at to date in the NFL.  His strengths are elsewhere. 

 

 

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Cool.  Give me your top 5 staffs in the NFL.  Heck do a top 10 if you prefer.   Just list the ones that are better.  You can stop when you get to the Panthers.  

Plenty of people here have talked about the comical overhyping of everything post Rhule around here.  Including this best in NFL coaching staff. 

 

 

In no particular order

KC

Buffalo

San Fran

Philly

Miami

Rams

Giants

Panthers

Jacksonville

Cincinatti

I left off some teams with great head coaches but suspect staffs like Belicheck and Carroll and Harbaugh.

No one said it was the best but it is top 10. At least 2 staff members are going to be in line for head coaching jobs in 2023. How many staffs can say that in August.

 

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21 minutes ago, CRA said:

Cool.  Give me your top 5 staffs in the NFL.  Heck do a top 10 if you prefer.   Just list the ones that are better.  You can stop when you get to the Panthers.  

Plenty of people here have talked about the comical overhyping of everything post Rhule around here.  Including this best in NFL coaching staff. 

 

 

Our staff is pretty solid.  One of the better ones Carolina has assembled.  Caldwell and Capers have a ton of experience to pair with an experienced decent HC in Reich.  Evero and Brown are both young upcoming coordinators who were both being interviewed for head coaching positions just this past offseason.  Both Tabor and Campen are well respected and good at OL/Special Teams.  McCown and Hall are rookie coordinators/assistants who both played in the league for a long time.  It's a great combo of experience (Reich, Caldwell, Capers), Upcoming future Head Coaches (Evero, Brown), seasoned specialists (Tabor, and Campen), and new rookies (McCown and Hall).

There is a lot of talent and I am interested to see how they all work together these couple years.  

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