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Carl Spackler

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5 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

 

Honestly...

Reich got figured out early. Had a good drive in the 2nd, but that was it. Maybe they can be prepared to let Brown take over if he's not figuring out how to get guys open. Young had plenty of time. He was scanning the field, but couldn't find anyone to throw the ball to. That's playcalling. Playcalling and below-average route runners that can't get separation without the scheme doing it for them. 

I hope that's how Reich will work and not let his ego make him double down.

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As far as TMJ goes, IMO that’s just a WR being lazy not wanting to waste energy on a decoy route….and then it just happened to go that way.  He didn’t think it was coming IMO.  Think everyone was surprised. 

Hell, look at the start of the route, there's hesitation on his behalf as he approaches the CB. He did not think for one second that ball was coming his way

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3 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

I think we'll see a few more open guys next week, because NO will blitz more. Then we can get mad at the OL for not protecting Bryce and half the board can get mad at Bryce for missing a WR after throwing a pass while falling down

If there is a strength to Atlanta's defense, it is the secondary. New Orleans is a little more well-rounded, and more experienced, and should present a tougher test. 

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1 minute ago, UnluckyforSome said:

If there is a strength to Atlanta's defense, it is the secondary. New Orleans is a little more well-rounded, and more experienced, and should present a tougher test. 

I hated giving up on the run as much as we did. If a guy is getting 6-plus yards per carry, he needs to get more than 9 carries. I wouldn't have guessed Chuba'd be the best player on offense today, but he really was. Young needs to hit on some more of his passes, but his WRs just flat-out cannot get open and, coupled with the GM and coach to an extent, set him up for failure. It's frustrating.

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9 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Two turnovers in a rookie QB's debut with no WR separation isn't what I'd call disappointing. It's what I expected. He's gonna make some bad reads. He's a rookie on a bad team.

He needs his WRs to get open, or get schemed open, so he gets a chance to overcome those bad reads.

Our playcalling and skill talent requires too much from a rookie QB.   Requires him to play at a high level for success.  

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4 minutes ago, CRA said:

As far as TMJ goes, IMO that’s just a WR being lazy not wanting to waste energy on a decoy route….and then it just happened to go that way.  He didn’t think it was coming IMO.  Think everyone was surprised. 
 

Chark IMO can’t be considered anything. He isn’t reliable enough.  Just a bonus. He can do the job when healthy though 

I said as much in the game thread. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

I hated giving up on the run as much as we did. If a guy is getting 6-plus yards per carry, he needs to get more than 9 carries. I wouldn't have guessed Chuba'd be the best player on offense today, but he really was. Young needs to hit on some more of his passes, but his WRs just flat-out cannot get open and, coupled with the GM and coach to an extent, set him up for failure. It's frustrating.

I can't say I'm excited about seeing Lattimore controlling the sky next week, while Jordan and pals make it difficult up front. Maybe we go back to old-leatherhead style and just run run run. Install the wishbone this week.

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I can't say I'm excited about seeing Lattimore controlling the sky next week, while Jordan and pals make it difficult up front. Maybe we go back to old-leatherhead style and just run run run. Install the wishbone this week.

The QB and coach seem to be willing to go to battle with these JAGs, so I'd expect 35-40 passes again. Nothing I saw in the preseason made me think this would ever be a running team, and while the success of the run game shocked me big-time, I was frankly (no pun intended) shocked almost as much by the number of run plays.

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12 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

It's unfortunate that Bryce overthrew Mingo on that bomb, because we weren't gonna win this game either way, but the public sentiment would've changed about 20%. As it is, can't rely on one fly route, on one try, with two rookies, to hit the first time. It is reasonable to expect it to hit on some soon, though.

The TMJ one would have been a TD if he doesn’t slow down

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9 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

The QB and coach seem to be willing to go to battle with these JAGs, so I'd expect 35-40 passes again. Nothing I saw in the preseason made me think this would ever be a running team, and while the success of the run game shocked me big-time, I was frankly (no pun intended) shocked almost as much by the number of run plays.

To your point on the running game, I think our line is a little better at run blocking.

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