Do the Panthers have a Shotgun problem

[AceBoogie]

6 minutes ago, frankw said:

Well the thread is going as I expected.

"The issue is this this this this this *lists off a dozen things* but it definitely isn't Bryce Young"

Not a soul here will say Bryce can’t be better. But if we’re dishing out blame I’m not starting with the 22 year old rookie. 

[ncfan]

8 minutes ago, frankw said:

Well the thread is going as I expected.

"The issue is this this this this this *lists off a dozen things* but it definitely isn't Bryce Young"

Yup

because it has nothing to do with a LG that is absolutely SHATTERING every metric measuring pressures given up

Nothing to do with the TE being thrown through the air like I throw my 2 year old kid.

Not like Ickey politely escorting the defender to the backfield when he’s not getting a penalty 

If Bryce was 6’2 and went to a Clemson or NC State and Ickey went to Bama.  You would think we would be starting Mike Remmers all over again the way the pitch forks would be coming out

 

this place is wild

[frankw]

1 minute ago, AceBoogie said:

Not a soul here will say Bryce can’t be better. But if we’re dishing out blame I’m not starting with the 22 year old rookie. 

Since when are rookies absolved? Especially since I've seen Mingo dragged and called a bust too.

[AceBoogie]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

Since when are rookies absolved? Especially since I've seen Mingo dragged and called a bust too.

Not from me. Nobody is absolving him. He’s a rookie and you’re expecting him to mask the poo storm around him. If we’re creating a list of things to blame he’s towards the bottom of that list. 

[frankw]

Just now, AceBoogie said:

Not from me. Nobody is absolving him. He’s a rookie and you’re expecting him to mask the poo storm around him. If we’re creating a list of things to blame he’s towards the bottom of that list. 

Let's make it easy. We will move on from the blame game.

I'll just ask you straight up. We both agree Bryce Young has talent he has plenty of potential. But with what we know now. After seeing how all the top 3 QB's have perfomed to this point do you have any level of concern about Young's phsyical limitations?

[mrcompletely11]

22 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Not a soul here will say Bryce can’t be better. But if we’re dishing out blame I’m not starting with the 22 year old rookie. 

Why would you.  Lololololol

[ncfan]

28 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Not a soul here will say Bryce can’t be better. But if we’re dishing out blame I’m not starting with the 22 year old rookie. 

“If that Midget was 6’3 and playing in a real NFL system under center.  Not that college shotgun crap for that midget.  This would’ve been a 10 yard run!”

-Huddlers

https://x.com/lukebraunnfl/status/1709448643198226729?s=46

Edited October 6, 2023 by ncfan

[AceBoogie]

22 minutes ago, frankw said:

Let's make it easy. We will move on from the blame game.

I'll just ask you straight up. We both agree Bryce Young has talent he has plenty of potential. But with what we know now. After seeing how all the top 3 QB's have perfomed to this point do you have any level of concern about Young's phsyical limitations?

No. That’s not his game. He didn’t run the 40 for a reason. I’m also not comparing him to guys in different situations. Dropping CJ in this offense ain’t going to have the result you probably think it does. 

[frankw]

6 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

No. That’s not his game. He didn’t run the 40 for a reason. I’m also not comparing him to guys in different situations. Dropping CJ in this offense ain’t going to have the result you probably think it does. 

Well if your answer is no I am going to have to respectfully argue your judgment is clouded. Panthers fan or not he has concerns. We can live in reality or we can exist in fantasy land and play pretend.

As for CJ. I cannot say how he would be doing here neither can you. But the reality is his situation was supposed to be significantly worse. He's making those around him better the same as he did at Ohio State. Do you think they miss his arm talent there at all now? The proof is in the pudding my friend.

Edited October 6, 2023 by frankw

[CPF4LIFE]

Maybe because the Qb you just drafted ONLY OPERATED OUT OF THE SHOTGUN HIS WHOLE COLLEGE CAREER.  Successful in college but in the nfl its different story to operate specifically out that formation. 

But of course that would go against the playing to his strengths narrative. 

[CPF4LIFE]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

Since when are rookies absolved? Especially since I've seen Mingo dragged and called a bust too.

Exactly 

[ncfan]

If playing under center vs shotgun is going to prevent DL throwing our OL and TEs through the air like me tossing out the trash.

Then Shula should’ve ran Cam just strict under Center in the Super Bowl 

[WarHeel]

Go back and review how many snaps he took under center at Bama. This shouldn’t shock anyone.

[ncfan]

Philly which was made known after we hired Reich, that our offense would be built like.

Ran among the most snaps from Shotgun.

last year the Eagles ran 88.73% of all their snaps from shotgun. (Which is half a pct more than what you stated Bryce has ran thus far)

 

Shanahan system in SF (which Houston’s OC came and stems from) runs among the highest pct of their snaps from under center.  Which is still less than 40% of their snap from under center.

 

https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/analysis/nfl-teams-moving-out-from-under-cenet-riding-shotgunnfl-teams-riding-shotgun/

This isn’t a scheme issue.  It’s a blocking issue.  Which the stats show and anyone with eyes can see.

Edited October 7, 2023 by ncfan