Does Bryce really require any more that other QBs for success?

[BrisbanePanther]

Reading these threads about Bryce has been...an experience, but I see two main competing themes here emerging about Bryce:

Theme A. He needs a really good (or at least better) supporting cast and situation around him to have the best chance of success.

Theme B. He shouldn't need a cast but should elevate his existing one.

 

My question is: Who are the QBs that have not needed Theme A to win a Super Bowl? Win in the playoffs? Become a Pro Bowler? Consistently have winning seasons?

Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, Stafford (taken #1), Allen, Burrow (#1), Peyton (#1), Eli (#1), Luck (#1), Brees, Ben, Rivers, Wilson, Montana, Steve Young, Favre, Aikman (#1), Warner, etc etc etc all needed a great supporting cast to win, and all had great--if not HOF--coaching.

Even QBs like Watson had Nuk, Tannehill had AJ, Romo had TO AND Witten, Matt Ryan (#1) had Roddy White AND Julio Jones, Jeff-frickin-Garcia (who I saw have to jump to pass) had TO AND JJ Stokes, Culpepper had Moss AND Carter, and even Carson Palmer (#1) didn't look his best until he had Fitz in Arizona. None of them did anything with just JAGs--each of them all had/have at least one position player that defenses had to respect. Cam (#1) and McNabb might be the closest, but even McNabb didn't make a Super Bowl until he had TO.

My point is that if Bryce falls in Theme A (which he clearly seems to) what makes him less or worse than the others--particularly at this stage in his career? 

Happy to be proven wrong but I can't think of too many QBs of different sizes and abilities who did it all by themselves or "elevated" a team on a long-term basis that wasn't already on the lofty side to begin with.

Edited October 10, 2023 by BrisbanePanther

[chknwing]

[mrcompletely11]

[mrcompletely11]

meth is one hell of a drug

[PantherBoy95]

lol damn I feel crazy bc I don't see why people are responding this way. You basically said in a longer way "Every great, had a great team around them to win." Which I'd say when you look at the history of sports give or take a few anomalies largely riings true.

I do still want to see much more out of Bryce (20 yard throws would be nice lol), but I'd be curious to know how he'd look with a decent running game, a real WR1 threat, and some protection.

[Knaakedup]

Do you remember the supporting cast when Cam dragged this team to the SB?

[ForJimmy]

4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

meth is one hell of a drug

What are you talking about? He is stating most QBs that were successful had great supporting casts. He isn’t wrong. There are a couple exceptions sure, but typically they have talent around them as well. 

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

Fairly thoughtful OP, too bad the people sucking up every molecule of air on this site right now are shitposting reply guys

[BrisbanePanther]

Just now, PantherBoy95 said:

lol damn I feel crazy bc I don't see why people are responding this way. You basically said in a longer way "Every great, had a great team around them to win." Which I'd say when you look at the history of sports give or take a few anomalies largely riings true.

I do still want to see much more out of Bryce (20 yard throws would be nice lol), but I'd be curious to know how he'd look with a decent running game, a real WR1 threat, and some protection.

Agreed. But I also know that too many words can do this to people at times:

[BrisbanePanther]

2 minutes ago, Knaakedup said:

Do you remember the supporting cast when Cam dragged this team to the SB?

Yes, I said that Cam was an exception.

[LinvilleGorge]

Super Bowl? Bruh, we ain't ready to talk about no Super Bowl. We just trying to win A game. Any game. 

 

[ForJimmy]

Just now, Knaakedup said:

Do you remember the supporting cast when Cam dragged this team to the SB?

Greg Olsen would be Bryce’s best weapon by a mile. Now give him a decent OL with J Stew and that defense with Luke, TD, Star, Short, Allen, Johnson, and Norman and you would see much better results. Not MVP Cam Super Bowl results, but this team would be a lot better.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, BrisbanePanther said:

Yes, I said that Cam was an exception.

how do you account for stroud having a historic season?

[ForJimmy]

People are missing the point. You have to build a solid team around MOST QBs in order for them to find success. 
 

I really think Stroud is just making our bad situation look 100x worse. He is a rookie we passed on making something out of nothing.