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Cam Newtons team…rookie season


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8 minutes ago, Shocker said:

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My friend dragging Cam Newton into the debate to soften the blow of Bryce Young having a bottom 3 passer rating isn’t the flex you think it is. Cam Newton did have talent like 89 and Olsen but he also elevated those around him and even Greg Olsen himself would tell you if it weren't for Newton his career would not have had the trajectory that it did. Hey maybe Bryce Young could do these things in time we just don't know. But I can tell you no amount of grasping at straws comparison wise is going to make Bryce physically able to make the elite throws even other rookies in his draft class are making. I'd love to see it. Hopefully we will. In the meantime let's take baby steps and stop trying to draw parallels to the only MVP in franchise history when the best thing we can say about Bryce Young is he can make some nice plays when the game is already out of reach.

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1 hour ago, Shocker said:

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Is this any better than Bryce’s situation?

That's Cam Newton's second season. The rookies are the ones with 'Rook' in the Yrs column. His rookie roster is below.

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Also, yes. Cam was in a better situation. He had a bonafide #1 receiver, a great pair of Running Backs in Deangelo Williams and Jonathon Stewart, an OL that could block, and a creative OC in Chud who became a Head Coach the following year. AND Greg Olsen + Jeremy Shockey at Tight End.

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2 minutes ago, EgoDogg said:

That's Cam Newton's second season. The rookies are the ones with 'Rook' in the Yrs column. His rookie roster is below.

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Also, yes. Cam was in a better situation. He had a bonafide #1 receiver, a great pair of Running Backs in Deangelo Williams and Jonathon Stewart, an OL that could block, and a creative OC in Chud who became a Head Coach the following year.

Echo in here?

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34 minutes ago, Shocker said:

No one can tell me Cam Newton wasn’t set up for success with that roster.  Stop being dumb folks.  Not one player on this team outside of Burns starts for that team.  

JJ Jansen.. boom..

your whole argument is null & void for being wrong on 1 certain point, a seemingly small overlook on your part decimated e’rything you’re trying to do here…

 

Seriously, Cam had much more talent to work with on both sides of the ball & to be fair, seemingly coaching too…

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2 minutes ago, j2sgam said:

JJ Jansen.. boom..

your whole argument is null & void for being wrong on 1 certain point, a seemingly small overlook on your part decimated e’rything you’re trying to do here…

 

Seriously, Cam had much more talent to work with on both sides of the ball & to be fair, seemingly coaching too…

WTF?  LOL…guess you made some sense 

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