Petition to move Icky to guard and Moton to LT

[Frank9999]

Icky is a risk to Bryce. Moton seemed to do better when he played LT. Swallow pride Panthers and do it. 

[45catfan]

Are we switching any other of the other players around that are struggling?  No? Chill dude, the OL has been in flux all year and LG has been a turnstile from the rip.  We just got Corbett back and if we are lucky we can get a LG to stay healthy enough to finish the rest of the season.  The continuity of an OL cannot be understated.  Oh yeah, an actual running game with an additional blocker(s) would help too.   Empty sets are are harder to block, not to mention Bryce holds onto the ball because our WRs--other than Thielen--can't get open.

Edited October 30, 2023 by 45catfan

[GhostWhispah]

30 minutes ago, Frank9999 said:

Icky is a risk to Bryce. Moton seemed to do better when he played LT. Swallow pride Panthers and do it. 

I refused cause playing against the pass at LT is technique more than anything else. He league the NCAAF in pancakes as a freshmen cause he is built like the refrigerator.

 

[45catfan]

1 minute ago, GhostWhispah said:

I refused cause playing against the pass at LT is technique more than anything else. He league the NCAAF in pancakes as a freshmen cause he is built like the refrigerator.

 

They are leaving him on an island this year unlike last when he had blocking TEs and RBs to give him a hand.  Not to mention he had BC next to him all season.  Is he good enough at this point in his career to man that left side all by himself consistently?  The answer is no, not yet.  Firstly, he needs a LG to be a cornerstone the rest of the season and secondly, on obvious passing downs, it wouldn't hurt for someone to chip or stay back to help block especially on longer distances where routes take more time to develop.

[GhostWhispah]

11 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

They are leaving him on an island this year unlike last when he had blocking TEs and RBs to give him a hand.  Not to mention he had BC next to him all season.  Is he good enough at this point in his career to man that left side all by himself consistently?  The answer is no, not yet.  Firstly, he needs a LG to be a cornerstone the rest of the season and secondly, on obvious passing downs, it wouldn't hurt for someone to chip or stay back to help block especially on longer distances where routes take more time to develop.

Agreed. He does need help on passing plays like last season but there has to be a point where he can take care of blocking on his own as a pro without training wheels on. Sanders should help as a 2nd line of defense on passing down as he has done it with success for the Eagles. Since he can't seem to run efficiently for us, use him to get his overpaid contract worth to protect Bryce which is so important for our future success.

 

[Jay Roosevelt]

I'm not quite ready to give up on Ickey at LT just yet, but if he doesn't show significant improvement by the end of this season I think we have to consider LT a need and move him inside to guard.

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, GhostWhispah said:

Agreed. He does need help on passing plays like last season but there has to be a point where he can take care of blocking on his own as a pro without training wheels on. Sanders should help as a 2nd line of defense on passing down as he has done it with success for the Eagles. Since he can't seem to run efficiently for us, use him to get his overpaid contract worth to protect Bryce which is so important for our future success.

 

Okay, this isn't a band aide situation, Ickey doesn't have to his help ripped off in one pull.  The staff apparently thought he was ready to be on an island this year, but with the injuries on the OL, shoddy running game, a rookie QB and ineffective WRs (AT withstanding) it is obvious he still needs some help.  Our scheme is pass happy with a lot of one back and empty sets.  Our RBs aren't the best blockers even the few times they are tasked to do so.  Was that Hubbard that got smashed yesterday?  The Texans defender almost got a two-fer.  Hubbard nearly got pancaked into Bryce.

Anyway, Ickey will be fine.  His struggle will subside as the offensive woes as a whole subside.  The struggles are interconnected as stated above.

[45catfan]

Even though the near TE (88 Goedert) ends up in a route instead of blocking, their LT is insulated.  The pressure ends up coming from the opposite side and Sanders picks it up, but again, that LT has all the help in the world.

[Prowler2k18]

I agree with moving Icky inside but switching Moton to LT would be a bad move. I’d rather stick with Ickey until we draft or sign a replacement that forcing Moton to switch sides halfway through the season. 

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, Prowler2k18 said:

I agree with moving Icky inside but switching Moton to LT would be a bad move. I’d rather stick with Ickey until we draft or sign a replacement that forcing Moton to switch sides halfway through the season. 

Yeah, this is literally compounding the problem. Not to mention, you are gonna get worse at RT immediately.

The situation just is what it is. Give the dude plenty of help until the offseason and then try to recover. It's too late now.

[Ornias]

Ickey may not be the answer but why can we not get him some help? Run some 2 TE sets to go with our only 2 WR's. 

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, Ornias said:

Ickey may not be the answer but why can we not get him some help? Run some 2 TE sets to go with our only 2 WR's. 

If you haven't noticed, we aren't good at setting up our paltry offensive talent for much in the way of success. 

Hence why we are 1-6

[poorboysrev]

6 hours ago, 45catfan said:

They are leaving him on an island this year unlike last when he had blocking TEs and RBs to give him a hand.  Not to mention he had BC next to him all season.  Is he good enough at this point in his career to man that left side all by himself consistently?  The answer is no, not yet.  Firstly, he needs a LG to be a cornerstone the rest of the season and secondly, on obvious passing downs, it wouldn't hurt for someone to chip or stay back to help block especially on longer distances where routes take more time to develop.

Yeah I don’t get why it’s so hard to move a TE or RB or both over there and help him 

[RumHam]

10 hours ago, Frank9999 said:

Icky is a risk to Bryce. Moton seemed to do better when he played LT. Swallow pride Panthers and do it. 

Moton is awful across the board. Everyone seems to forget that