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It's official: Sean Payton > John Fox

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What a gutsy call. Payton gave his team the spark that they needed at the time, and it propelled them to victory. John Fox has never been that imaginative and willing to take risks in the regular season, much less the Super Bowl. Payton saw that his team was falling a little flat, and decided to seize the day. He believed that he could surprise the Colts (which he did). He had enough belief in his team---specifically, his offense---that they could still overcome and win the game even if the onside attempt kick failed. He knew what his offense could do if they recovered the ball. He was taking a gamble, but was playing to the strength of his team. I wish that Fox could adapt to the flow and feel of the game like Payton, and not just follow the Foxball script. Granted, it's a little easier to make a call like that when you have Drew Brees as your QB, but Payton was responsible for Brees even being there. Oh, if Fox, could be so imaginative and bold.

Payton's move reminded of another coach's call in his first Super Bowl appearance...

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When did you find that out?

Anybody who thought otherwise is more than likely a raging Panthers homer. Easily the best offensive playcaller and play designer in the league, probably the best since Bill Walsh. Quite unfortunate him and Brees had to fall in our division.

I still think we will take the division next year.

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What a load of BS.

John Fox tried 2x two point conversions in the Super Bowl against the Pats. HAD we suceeded in making them, we would have won the game (we lost by 3 ya know).

If that on-side kick had been recovered by Indy, or the Colts scored before the Half (when they failed to get any points at the 1 yard line), Sean Peyton would have looked like a rookie idiot.

The difference between the two comparisons? Fox's team failed, and he got labeled as a points chaser, where Sean Payton's team managed to get lucky and make plays that have low chances of working.

I've watched Sean Payton do dumb sh!t for 4 years, which has put this team out on a limb for no good reason. This year he just happened to have the wind at his back (be it skill of the team, luck, or whatever else).

John Fox is no Football genius... but neither is Sean Payton. Luckier? Yeah.

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What a load of BS.

John Fox tried 2x two point conversions in the Super Bowl against the Pats. HAD we suceeded in making them, we would have won the game (we lost by 3 ya know).

If that on-side kick had been recovered by Indy, or the Colts scored before the Half (when they failed to get any points at the 1 yard line), Sean Peyton would have looked like a rookie idiot.

The difference between the two comparisons? Fox's team failed, and he got labeled as a points chaser, where Sean Payton's team managed to get lucky and make plays that have low chances of working.

I've watched Sean Payton do dumb sh!t for 4 years, which has put this team out on a limb for no good reason. This year he just happened to have the wind at his back (be it skill of the team, luck, or whatever else).

John Fox is no Football genius... but neither is Sean Payton. Luckier? Yeah.

You must have worded it wrong, because to think Sean Payton isn't a football genius is foolish. His playcalling, play designing, etc. is beautifu and he helped Drew Brees fulfill his talents. As I said before, best offensive playcaller and designer since Bill Walsh.

John Fox doesn't touch Sean Payton when it comes down to the X's and O's.

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You must have worded it wrong, because to think Sean Payton isn't a football genius is foolish. His playcalling, play designing, etc. is beautifu and he helped Drew Brees fulfill his talents. As I said before, best offensive playcaller and designer since Bill Walsh.

John Fox doesn't touch Sean Payton when it comes down to the X's and O's.

He is an exceptional playcaller and play designer but that's not what won them the game tonight. Brees had a couple of days to go through his progressions tonight which if you give to a QB as good as Brees, he will kill you. I don't think there was anything that caught the Colts off guard tonight. The Saint's execution was just better than the Colts. I remember 2 or 3 years ago when we played the Saints at home and we pretty much shut their offense down. Having the players necessary to make the offense work is the most important thing and the Saints had that in spades this year.

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He is an exceptional playcaller and play designer but that's not what won them the game tonight. Brees had a couple of days to go through his progressions tonight which if you give to a QB as good as Brees, he will kill you. I don't think there was anything that caught the Colts off guard tonight. The Saint's execution was just better than the Colts. I remember 2 or 3 years ago when we played the Saints at home and we pretty much shut their offense down. Having the players necessary to make the offense work is the most important thing and the Saints had that in spades this year.

Well, it's all speculation; but, if they don't attempt that onside kick, then momentum is with the Colts, and Manning probably would have taken his team down and scored. This would have changed the whole complexion of the game.

Even more speculation: I believe that with the right coach (which would have led to the benching of Delhomme a lot earlier in the season), then we would have had a great possibility of giving the Saints a real run for their money this year. There were so-called experts, as well a fans, who are still miffed by Fox's decision to stick with Jake so long. This especially became more poignant with the relative success of Matt Moore. And, yes hindsight is 20/20, but Jake probably should have been pulled in our last playoff game as well. Due to Fox's ultra-conservatism and inability to adapt to the situation and flow of game, the Vince Lombardi trophy will have a difficult time landing in Charlotte. I could be wrong, but I think that it's Fox who was lucky to get to the Super Bowl, but you could see the Saints methodically working towards that end with key personnel decisions over the last few years, especially with their acquisition of arguably the best QB in the game today, Drew Brees.

Seeing the Saints win the Super Bowl has probably made me a little jealous, but more importantly---with our season going the way it did---it truly made me think of what could have been. Thanks to John Fox, we will never know.

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