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PNW_PantherMan Grand Master

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On 2/8/2024 at 8:07 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

Luke will definitely be in. Probably first ballot. Smitty absolutely SHOULD be in but crazy WR numbers in the modern NFL is gonna be a hurdle for him to overcome. They SHOULD consider the offenses these guys played in and the percentage of the receiving yardage they accounted for, etc. but they pretty much just look at the top level numbers. The more time that passes the more mediocre his numbers will get in terms of the HOF.

I mean, Lynn Swann is a HOF WR and DJ Moore has already comfortably passed his career numbers and DJ is 26 years old.

Agreed on viewing the numbers in context.  Also I’m biased but Steve Smith was a true game changer in his prime.  Andre Johnson was a great player but I don’t think teams were as afraid of him as they were of prime Steve Smith.  I have seen very few players that can have an impact on a game like Smith could.

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13 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Agreed on viewing the numbers in context.  Also I’m biased but Steve Smith was a true game changer in his prime.  Andre Johnson was a great player but I don’t think teams were as afraid of him as they were of prime Steve Smith.  I have seen very few players that can have an impact on a game like Smith could.

Johnson was a helluva WR. Don't get me wrong. But his and Smitty's receiving numbers are very similar and Smitty has return stats that Johnson lacks. Smitty has a nearly 5000 yard advantage in all purpose yardage. Smitty should've gotten in ahead of Johnson, period.

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Steve Smith is probably the most underrated WR of all time, yet still he is considered a HOF.

He was better than Fitzgerald, Wayne, Harrison, Holt,  and Bruce. The only difference is how little 89 was targeted vs his contemporaries. It’s actually kind of astonishing when you look it up. 
 

Hes consistently targeted 30-40, sometimes 50 times less than these other guys.

Had Smitty got to play with Manning, Warner, or Brady for any stretch of his prime he would have broken some records and flat out embarrassed some of these dudes. 

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7 hours ago, Johnstonny said:

no he wasn't...he was basically a traitor...his body of work got him in the Hall.

A traitor? He did what he thought was best or want he wanted to do for his career. How does that make him a traitor? Ridiculous post. When you leave your job, does that mean you become a traitor to all former jobs? I didn't like it at the time either but I'm not going to be so juvenile that I call him a traitor. Most people look past that and eventually come around to think about it from an adult mindset if we don't look at it in our scour we teenage girl mind. I thought the same thing too back in the day I must admit but the guy has a right to do what he wanted for his career. He finished here and all the good and happy thoughts came back with most people at least I thought.

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10 hours ago, Ricky Prickles said:

A traitor? He did what he thought was best or want he wanted to do for his career. How does that make him a traitor? Ridiculous post. When you leave your job, does that mean you become a traitor to all former jobs? I didn't like it at the time either but I'm not going to be so juvenile that I call him a traitor. Most people look past that and eventually come around to think about it from an adult mindset if we don't look at it in our scour we teenage girl mind. I thought the same thing too back in the day I must admit but the guy has a right to do what he wanted for his career. He finished here and all the good and happy thoughts came back with most people at least I though

Ray Lewis didn't go anywhere but Baltimore... Pep was a great player for us, I acknowledge that...but not the best.  JR asked him to step up as a leader of the team...and he crumbled and  booked for CHI...soo... Your opinion is not the end all be all...

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Ray Lewis didn't go anywhere but Baltimore... Pep was a great player for us, I acknowledge that...but not the best.  JR asked him to step up as a leader of the team...and he crumbled and  booked for CHI...soo... Your opinion is not the end all be all...

And neither is your opinion the end all be all as hard as that may be to accept so........ there's that as well. 

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