The Panthers keep making the same mistakes under new GM.

[Jon Snow]

33 minutes ago, chknwing said:

putting a rookie center out there to protect Bryce is not smart

Depends on the rookie. 

[PappyMay]

I wanted them too, but there will be another starting caliber center next year when we are picking at 37.  Going to take another year to build out this trash roster.  Hopefully 2 years from now we don’t have to over pay to get guys here because they can see it’s trending the right way.

[TD alt]

I'm not necessarily trying to be flippant, but Morgan has been telling you what type of team he's trying to to build. So, if you have no idea, you just haven't been listening. @ForJimmy explained it pretty well. But, if you don't believe that, then all you have to do is go back and listen to all of the pressers since Morgan was promoted. Then go back and listen to Dave Canales' pressers since he's been here. Don't forget to listen to the pressers during the draft.

You're complaining because you don't agree with the player---or perhaps players that were drafted, the mail one being X. I have consistently said that they should draft the player with the most upside, and that you can't limit your draft based upon perceived limitations (especially perceived limitations based upon some fans) of your QB, particularly if the QB is unproven. X has the most upside, and he needs to be developed for sure, but what you obviously fail to realize is that all of the receivers that we could've picked were "projects," save for maybe Ladd who is smallish, has an injury history, and would have offered some redundancy with what we already have. Most people consider him a slot guy. We already have guys that can play in the slot. 

If anything, our choices in the draft probably mean that Mingo is solidly in the long term plans. Whether he succeeds or not will be on him for the most part, as well as the coaches to put him in his best position to succeed. Regarding that, he likely needs to be transitioned to the slot where I'm pretty sure some teams (the Steelers being one of them) would have placed him in had he been available.

What we also have is JT Sanders who will be another tough competitor on our side at the catch point. He is big-bodied with high upside, and will provide even another potential beast in the second and third level, and another consistent option for our QB (and any QB). 

Morgan and Canales obvious put a premium on receivers that can make tough catches, but that doesn't mean that these guys can't be polished up and coached up where necessary. But even if I look at a worse case scenario, if a wideout can make a tough catch, in the mold of Alshon Jeffrey or even Tee Higgins, then YAC is not as important. But the fact is, that both of our newly drafted wideouts have upside to be YAC monsters.

So many people were banging the table for a center. I've said it all the way through: apparently our FO on down believes that AC can be a proficient center. It s not like he hasn't played it before. Moreover, we found out (and some of us already knew) that BC could be a backup. Well that's the plan. Until proven otherwise, I'm going to have faith that Canales and Joe Gilbert (as well as Dan Morgan) know what they're doing in that regard. I could be wrong, but I'm thinking that our O-line should at least be average. We'll find out, but I trust that this is not going to be an excuse for Bryce not to succeed in 2024.

You've already seen the investment in the O-line, and in the offensive weapons. But Morgan also invested in the defense. We were decent last season, but inconsistent which lead to us being gashed. But the lack of offense also lead to the defense being gassed, which of course leads to being gashed as well. With the addition of the rookies and the additions of Robinson and Jewell, Fuller and of course Clowney and Wonnum, getting gashed in the run game will hopefully be a thing of the past. But the fact is that you can't fix everything in one offseason. However, if you can't see the plan and the vision, you just don't want to see it. 

 

[SOJA]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

Mingo is a big slot and XL is a X WR. Not really the same style player. Athletically they have similar measurements but they play the game pretty differently. I think XL and DJ complement each other well and should be our outside WRs. Mingo will rotate with AT in the slot and hopefully take over full time next year. 

OG to C doesn’t seem to be as crazy of a move as people think. We have Corbett, BC, and then Mays there. Not the best but the first 2 are solid OGs when healthy and pretty smart players. I would have liked to draft one but we couldn’t fix everything on one offseason. CB and Edge could have used some real depth, but I think we sign Gilly now to fix one of those temporarily. 
 

Oh a bright note, both XL and Sanders had some of the best catch ratings in 10 plus yards down the field.

Agree a longterm WR corps (assuming all pan out of) X- XL, Z- Dionte, Slot- Mingo; actually meshes very well together

 

the vision is there, whether or not it comes to fruition is a question every team has to ask themselves 

[SOJA]

I'm not turning this into a Bryce thread, but I think Canales looked at Bryce and said what does he do best and what are his limitations. 

Best: throws with anticipation, accurate

Limitations: deep ball, escapability

We rectify that with huge guards up front to prevent interior pressure and help the run game, bolster the run game, trade for the best separation WR in the NFL (by stats) and draft a Deebo like WR w/ the body type and potential to become a true X/outside ball winner. 

Like I said the vision is there folks. 

[Growl]

both the jets and giants have been every bit as awful as us, how are those ELITE PLUG AND PLAY CENTERS doing for those franchises 

 

 

[Growl]

“the panthers will continue to value WRs over centers”

yes welcome to the national football league 

[SOJA]

1 minute ago, Growl said:

“the panthers will continue to value WRs over centers”

yes welcome to the national football league 

lmao seriously, just look at contract values right now. WR has turned into one of the most important positions in the league 

[SOJA]

Corey Lindsey is currently the most expensive center in the NFL at 12.5m per year that would equal the.....

approximately the 27th most expensive WR in the league LMAO

[Tr3ach]

2 hours ago, SOJA said:

Seems pretty clear what they are trying to build to me, a power running game that supports a quick passing game. We signed two huge guards, Canales is known for emphasizing quick throw time, we traded for Dionte Johnson, drafted the best RB in the draft, first pick was a bigger Deebo Samuel and we drafted a receiving TE

Power run, play action, quick throws, try to limit third and long. 

My question is why draft legette of all the receivers for a quick passing game?

Edited April 28 by Tr3ach

[hepcat]

2 minutes ago, SOJA said:

lmao seriously, just look at contract values right now. WR has turned into one of the most important positions in the league 

Not that WR isn’t important but the Panthers have had bad to atrocious center play since Kalil retired, and they are poised to do so again. Legette was the 7th WR drafted. They had their pick of all the centers in the draft. Center isn’t sexy but good center play wins games. 

[SOJA]

1 minute ago, Tr3ach said:

My question is why draft legette of all the receivers for a quick passing game?

fair question and I think the XL selection warrants probably it's own thread but I think they are trying to build a complimentary WR room. I really, really liked Ladd but his skill set somewhat redundant with what we already have. In terms of the future it's harder to find true "x" WRs than it is, slot guys

[SOJA]

1 minute ago, hepcat said:

Not that WR isn’t important but the Panthers have had bad to atrocious center play since Kalil retired, and they are poised to do so again. Legette was the 7th WR drafted. They had their pick of all the centers in the draft. Center isn’t sexy but good center play wins games. 

I agree with you there, and I think passing on Center is one reason I ding this draft. We really need to draft and develop a guy and just keep kicking the can down the road 

[Tr3ach]

1 hour ago, DanteNoHall said:

If you think Mingo is gonna take AT off the field in the slot then I have a beach house to sell you in Idaho 

Mingo's true position is big slot.  I would say technically the same could be said with the TE we drafted.   Take that how you want to as far as snap counts.  All I'm saying is that is where he should be getting whatever snaps he does or doesnt get.