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strato Grand Master

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36 minutes ago, CRA said:

he tip toes and drifts deep to see over the 6'6 monsters in front of him. 

I mean, if you put him under C and put him at the same depth you would Joe Flacco on throws.....I don't think that is going to yield good results. 

Bryce despite his size, actually plays the middle of the field well.   But he has to play quirky to pull it off.   

He needs to slide in between the noise where he Can see. Spread the OL out make sure the RB can pass block, keep a TE in. Only way it can be done that I see.

The poo with the deep drop backs screws the tackles way up. 

 

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40 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, the league average is to be shotgun heavy. 

some teams trend toward the 70-80% range.  With short yardage, goaline and kneel downs bringing them down.  KC, Phiily, Ravens? A lot of the really good teams are very shotgun heavy

That's the college and HS influence on the NFL. You don't see those traditional under center offenses that much at those levels anymore. So, the NFL has had to adjust since the QBs don't do it as much anymore. Then add in the retiring of the older coaches and them being replaced by younger guys that are more used to the gun and spread stuff.

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1 hour ago, CRA said:

I mean, the league average is to be shotgun heavy. 

some teams trend toward the 70-80% range.  With short yardage, goaline and kneel downs bringing them down.  KC, Phiily, Ravens? A lot of the really good teams are very shotgun heavy

Being shotgun heavy isnt the problem. It was being shotgun heavy and predictable that made teams not respect our offense at all. 

You dont see teams stack 10 in the box against a shotgun heavy offense if they respect the passing game, that opens up the run game.

You damn sure cant run very well in shotgun or pistol formation with that many guys in the box like we seen at times last season. 

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6 hours ago, CRA said:

meh, Canales talks a fair amount about an offense he didn't really show in Tampa. 

Run game was trash

and the Carolina TEs in 2023 were more productive than Tampa's. 

his O was carried by the play of the outside WRs

Different players. 

Shouldn't the offense look different and to maximize the talent on our team, not the bucs?

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9 hours ago, CRA said:

meh, Canales talks a fair amount about an offense he didn't really show in Tampa. 

Run game was trash

and the Carolina TEs in 2023 were more productive than Tampa's. 

his O was carried by the play of the outside WRs

Yeah you are right but I will say this. I watched the long cut highlights of the Bucs games last year and you can definitely see a shift in their offense as the season goes on. If you go back to Seattle 2-3 years ago you see a lot of similarities. I get the feeling that the offense was still set up how Brady wanted it with personnel and a lot of people were out of scheme. 
 

The company I work for merged with another company from Florida recently so I have been forced to work with a ton of Tampa Bay and Jaguar fans (who knew Jacksonville had fans?). They really liked Canales but they thought he was trying to force a square peg in a round hole with how the team was set up.  We are set up much more similar now to what he was used to in Seattle. 
 

His offense really isn’t that flashy, it’s pretty vanilla. He just throws a hellacious amount of motions and different formations out there. (I think he even mentioned this during the rookie pressers). He likes to keep people guessing on personnel sets and then gives them another whammy by going heavy PA. 
 

As far as the WRs I agree, a lot of this helps when you have Mike Evans and Chris Godwin on the field at the same time. 

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11 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

Different players. 

Shouldn't the offense look different and to maximize the talent on our team, not the bucs?

I'm just going off of what exists. 

and all the offenses he has been apart of have shared some very similar traits.  Going back to Seattle.  Which doesn't seem to play to Bryce Young's strength.  Run the ball and then chuck it deep to the outside.  That's what Canales has always been part of.  And his first investment, was a WR who does that. 

I'm not saying Canales shouldn't do anything.  I'm just saying, no one has ever described that as Bryce Young's game.  That's not why we drafted him. 

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