QB School - Week 1 vs New Orleans

[strato]

21 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

 

We still haven't seen this guy in the NFL.  Some of these are crazy pass protection and the receiver is open by a mile.  But some of these throws are just playing with confidence.  I don't think we would ever see this guy in the NFL.  He got hit in the mouth in his first game and he never recovered.  You can't make it in this league without mental fortitude.

 

All that looks great except so much of it is it is yard ball running around all over.  
And you take that and put it in an NFL speed and reaction format. We have been looking at it. 

[amcoolio]

Drafting a QB is a total coin flip. There's no science to it.

Panthers had bad luck and will flip the coin again. They could have taken Fields and lost that coin flip. Caleb Williams could still be bad. Everyone thought Darnold and Gabbert were prototypical QB's that were sure things. 

[strato]

46 minutes ago, amcoolio said:

Drafting a QB is a total coin flip. There's no science to it.

Panthers had bad luck and will flip the coin again. They could have taken Fields and lost that coin flip. Caleb Williams could still be bad. Everyone thought Darnold and Gabbert were prototypical QB's that were sure things. 

You have to take those kind of guys if you are in the game and at bat. There is at least some evidence that that is the pool you should be looking in. 

I don't who thought Gabbert. Doesn't matter I am sure someone did. 

The whole thing with these players playing right away might not be such a great way with non running types. You can let the athletes loose but these other guys need to play by more complicated and precise rules. I don't how you take a 1st and sit him these days but it might be what you should do.

 

[MRenshaw]

22 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

 

Is that photo real? If it's real, then I'd be really curious to know if he was wearing his lifts that day.

Edited September 12, 2024 by MRenshaw

[MRenshaw]

20 hours ago, Bear Hands said:

I've accepted the jumping thing, erratic footwork, strange parallel to LOS drop is not going to end.  It's part of his "technique".  And it's the most damaging component to his entire game, as much as his size.  For some reason, no coach wants to correct it because there's this notion that you can work with the backyard style to an extent and dropbacks and throwing motion doesn't need to be perfect.  But Mahomes and a few others are exceptions to the rule IMO.  

He's the most compelling case that tells me this: the further you are outside of prototypical modern QB parameters, the more you actually need to execute IN-structure and have fundamentals/technique as sound as possible. 

This is why the biggest mistake coaches have made with him since HS is not getting him sound fundamentally while he learned to be all loose-y goose-y outside the pocket.  This is also why Kyler can look bad, but not all the time.  Because he's got a cannon, because he still has some burners.  It's also why Russ has fallen apart.  

When you're not only an outlier physically/tools wise, but your game (at least in college) was best out of structure, then how do you expect to execute at a fundamental level in the NFL?  You can't.  You need to operate at a high level, in the pocket, and be fundamentally sound to execute and he simply can't do it.

  

Bryce is this generation's Johnny Manziel lite, an out-of-structure improviser and backyard baller, but shorter and without Manziel's athleticism and arm. It's infuriating that people again and again become bewitched by flashy backyard college style and think it'll translate in the NFL. Strong fundamentals and the ability to play within structure should always be top priorities. Everything else is nice-to-have or irrelevant. Tepper tried to be cute, now everybody suffers.

[CRA]

he highlighted one play….but there were several in the game where it tough to deny Bryce Young can’t see often because of the lineman in front of him. 

[Jackie Lee]

Lol why. I dunno if he sailed it past the open guy underneath or actually thought slow ass Thielen was gonna make it to that spot. But Capital A Anticipation!  That just means he can't see anything and just throws the timing route to the spot no matter the circumstance. This was the opening pick of the game btw

[Jackie Lee]

Remember that "From the Ground Up..." Panthers spam about fixing his footwork? Yeah....

[strato]

7 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Remember that "From the Ground Up..." Panthers spam about fixing his footwork? Yeah....

They did try, it didn’t take. So far. It probably won’t. 

[Shotgun]

3 hours ago, amcoolio said:

Drafting a QB is a total coin flip. There's no science to it.

Panthers had bad luck and will flip the coin again. They could have taken Fields and lost that coin flip. Caleb Williams could still be bad. Everyone thought Darnold and Gabbert were prototypical QB's that were sure things. 

My scientific research has led me to the conclusion to not draft sub 5'10" QBs.   

[strato]

Well I posted in a different thread that I watched the Buffalo preseason drive and Young stuck with the rehabbed drop back and did not revert to the old way.  However many throws he made, it was all with the standard drop back we see everyone do. 
 

So I went and looked at the Saints game. The last pass play of the 1st quarter, was a nice completion for a first down BUT he reverted. It was over as far the ‘proper’ technique and back to his meandering slow tippy to stuff.  
 

Even on the jump throw to Mingo earlier which was picked on in the QB school video, he did the new improved retreat and that was from under center btw. Hadn’t noticed that until that play. 

It went how you’d expect. At first he came out doing the new but when the chips were down he went back to what was easiest for him. Just FYI because I was curious about it and wanted to know exactly what the scoop is.  
It is a definite thing to key in on this next game. 

[Jackie Lee]

I got about 5 minutes into this garbage and had to stop. I was initially bummed I have to work the next 3 Sundays but I think I'm good. I'm just gonna college scout on Saturdays 

[strato]

36 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

I got about 5 minutes into this garbage and had to stop. I was initially bummed I have to work the next 3 Sundays but I think I'm good. I'm just gonna college scout on Saturdays 

It doesn't take but 5 minutes. I just looked again. He transforms into the 2023 mechanics on 3rd and 8 with 36 seconds to play in the 1st quarter. Maybe his 5th drop back including the opening one. There it was: The Bryce Young Shuffle.

But he was doing it right up until that play and I'd bet he probably abandoned thinking about it going forward. Not watching either.

Edited September 13, 2024 by strato

[Tr3ach]

13 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Lol why. I dunno if he sailed it past the open guy underneath or actually thought slow ass Thielen was gonna make it to that spot. But Capital A Anticipation!  That just means he can't see anything and just throws the timing route to the spot no matter the circumstance. This was the opening pick of the game btw

Either one could have been a completion honestly but he definitely air mailed the throw.  Almost all of his passes when he's on the move, improvising, or even moving in the pocket, seem to be overthrown.  Just like his deep ball.