As fans have we unanimously concluded that Bryce Young IS THE PROBLEM

[MRenshaw]

4 hours ago, Waldo said:

But Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield...

It's the Brees thing all over again. Some of these guys are just Wilsons and Lances. And those guys actually had intangibles to try the whole project thing. Young as a project has shown no upside. His technique is beyond bad. His vision is bad. His physicals are not NFL level. He knows it and won't throw the ball farther than the LOS because without a high completion percentage he has nothing at all so he holds onto it as his lifeline.

It's comical. Not worth the fight IMO when you can just laugh at the absurdity of it all. I'm laughing still

I'm just grateful they've finally stopped comparing Bryce to Peyton Manning. Yeesh, could you imagine the dearth of football knowledge and common sense that enabled this retarded comparison in the first place?

[Waldo]

8 minutes ago, MRenshaw said:

I'm just grateful they've finally stopped comparing Bryce to Peyton Manning. Yeesh, could you imagine the dearth of football knowledge and common sense that enabled this retarded comparison in the first place?

I went and watched Paton's rookie year scores and interceptions over the offseason. They looked nothing alike. Payton was under center and slinging it around like a gunslinger with outrageous picks but still looked like a future HOFer. He was already commanding the line but also had issues reading the D. Nothing but confidence that he would figure it out with him. Complete opposites IMO

[CPF4LIFE]

https://x.com/_MLFootball/status/1840942227679215768?t=9hBGsglnvsMjiQmtBisrQg&s=19

Dolphins will reach a breaking point soon. Let's hope.

 

 

[MRenshaw]

1 hour ago, Waldo said:

I went and watched Paton's rookie year scores and interceptions over the offseason. They looked nothing alike. Payton was under center and slinging it around like a gunslinger with outrageous picks but still looked like a future HOFer. He was already commanding the line but also had issues reading the D. Nothing but confidence that he would figure it out with him. Complete opposites IMO

Not only did Peyton pass the eye test during his rookie year, but many of his vital QB stats were already elite: he ranked third in total passing yards, fifth in passing TDs, and fourth in first-down completions. There was absolutely no question that he would become truly elite once he got acclimated to NFL defenses and reduced the interception numbers, which he did the very next year. Bryce, on the other hand, showed zero flashes as a rookie and had historically bad numbers across the board. On top of all that, he regressed in the second year, becoming unable to even make basic high school throws. The stupidity of the Peyton comparison is simply staggering. The level of football knowledge possessed by Bryce defenders is on par with their idol's quarterback skills. They truly deserve each other.

Edited October 1, 2024 by MRenshaw

[MRenshaw]

33 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

https://x.com/_MLFootball/status/1840942227679215768?t=9hBGsglnvsMjiQmtBisrQg&s=19

Dolphins will reach a breaking point soon. Let's hope.

 

 

They aren't that desperate. With that roster, the Dolphins can score more running the wildcat formation than they can with Bryce at QB. 

[strato]

6 hours ago, Waldo said:

'If I say 'hard pass' on Bryce Young, that may be the first time anyone has associated 'hard pass' and 'Bryce Young' since he's been in the league.'

'Jesus Christ first Zach Wilson and now this. Is there another crappier player we can start a thread about? Let’s ask Ryan Leaf to come out of retirement.'

One guy went the predraft info route and finished it with 'he has a snappy quick realease' which told me he has no idea what he is talking about and hasn't watched him play.

Lots of if you let Tua stand on top of him you have a real QB...HAHAHAHA

 

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Sure for a 7th and a box of used rubbers.

Sold!

[Loyalty4Life]

10 hours ago, frankw said:

Maybe you should take a gander at the consensus thoughts from other teams fans on Bryce Young. Look outside your own echo chamber.

https://finheaven.com/threads/trade-for-bryce-young.384566/

The last thing I want to do is read what the average fan thinks.  Most can't think past the last game they watched.

Now we have people trying to say we were really pretty good last year and the whole problem was just Bryce.  The coaching staff, playcalling, play of the rest of the team was not good.  Giving up on a high draft pick after nearly killing him with 9 different starter at guard, horrible play calling and a below average run game is not a recipe for a rookie QB. 

I'm not blind.  His play the first two weeks of this season was awful and 100% is not good enough to play QB in the NFL, starter or backup.  If this is who he is and there is no hope for improvement then he'll be out of the league soon enough. 

Go watch the All 22 film.  There is a lot of horrible plays but there are also a lot of good one.  NFL level ability, throws and runs.  More than enough examples of good plays to say if he can play like that consistently then he can be an NFL starting QB.

It's very easy to see the biggest problem now is his confidence which has caused him to regress even more and make his good traits average or worse and his bad traits look like they can't be fixed.

We know he's a young kid.
We know last year the panthers did a horrible job putting in a position to be successful.
We know that our new head coach excels at helping and training QBs.
We know we've already paid a good deal of his contract.
We know he's very willing to learn and has a good attitude despite his situation.
We know he has the raw ability to play at this level because he has already done it.

There are a great number of reasons not to throw the kid out on his butt just yet.

We are at the bottom of the league.  We don't have the pleasure of throwing any potential away.

Worse case we miss out on a 4th or 5th round pick.  Best case, Canales is the real deal and he turns Bryce into the player he was in college but at the NFL level.

 

 

 

[mrcompletely11]

18 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

The last thing I want to do is read what the average fan thinks.  Most can't think past the last game they watched.

Now we have people trying to say we were really pretty good last year and the whole problem was just Bryce.  The coaching staff, playcalling, play of the rest of the team was not good.  Giving up on a high draft pick after nearly killing him with 9 different starter at guard, horrible play calling and a below average run game is not a recipe for a rookie QB. 

I'm not blind.  His play the first two weeks of this season was awful and 100% is not good enough to play QB in the NFL, starter or backup.  If this is who he is and there is no hope for improvement then he'll be out of the league soon enough. 

Go watch the All 22 film.  There is a lot of horrible plays but there are also a lot of good one.  NFL level ability, throws and runs.  More than enough examples of good plays to say if he can play like that consistently then he can be an NFL starting QB.

It's very easy to see the biggest problem now is his confidence which has caused him to regress even more and make his good traits average or worse and his bad traits look like they can't be fixed.

We know he's a young kid.
We know last year the panthers did a horrible job putting in a position to be successful.
We know that our new head coach excels at helping and training QBs.
We know we've already paid a good deal of his contract.
We know he's very willing to learn and has a good attitude despite his situation.
We know he has the raw ability to play at this level because he has already done it.

There are a great number of reasons not to throw the kid out on his butt just yet.

We are at the bottom of the league.  We don't have the pleasure of throwing any potential away.

Worse case we miss out on a 4th or 5th round pick.  Best case, Canales is the real deal and he turns Bryce into the player he was in college but at the NFL level.

 

 

 

There's delusional and the there's this.  

[strato]

40 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

The last thing I want to do is read what the average fan thinks.  Most can't think past the last game they watched.

Now we have people trying to say we were really pretty good last year and the whole problem was just Bryce.  The coaching staff, playcalling, play of the rest of the team was not good.  Giving up on a high draft pick after nearly killing him with 9 different starter at guard, horrible play calling and a below average run game is not a recipe for a rookie QB. 

I'm not blind.  His play the first two weeks of this season was awful and 100% is not good enough to play QB in the NFL, starter or backup.  If this is who he is and there is no hope for improvement then he'll be out of the league soon enough. 

Go watch the All 22 film.  There is a lot of horrible plays but there are also a lot of good one.  NFL level ability, throws and runs.  More than enough examples of good plays to say if he can play like that consistently then he can be an NFL starting QB.

It's very easy to see the biggest problem now is his confidence which has caused him to regress even more and make his good traits average or worse and his bad traits look like they can't be fixed.

We know he's a young kid.
We know last year the panthers did a horrible job putting in a position to be successful.
We know that our new head coach excels at helping and training QBs.
We know we've already paid a good deal of his contract.
We know he's very willing to learn and has a good attitude despite his situation.
We know he has the raw ability to play at this level because he has already done it.

There are a great number of reasons not to throw the kid out on his butt just yet.

We are at the bottom of the league.  We don't have the pleasure of throwing any potential away.

Worse case we miss out on a 4th or 5th round pick.  Best case, Canales is the real deal and he turns Bryce into the player he was in college but at the NFL level.

 

 

 

You clearly don't understand the level of disgust. We have had it with him. 

[Gapanthersfan]

2 hours ago, Loyalty4Life said:

The last thing I want to do is read what the average fan thinks.  Most can't think past the last game they watched.

Now we have people trying to say we were really pretty good last year and the whole problem was just Bryce.  The coaching staff, playcalling, play of the rest of the team was not good.  Giving up on a high draft pick after nearly killing him with 9 different starter at guard, horrible play calling and a below average run game is not a recipe for a rookie QB. 

I'm not blind.  His play the first two weeks of this season was awful and 100% is not good enough to play QB in the NFL, starter or backup.  If this is who he is and there is no hope for improvement then he'll be out of the league soon enough. 

Go watch the All 22 film.  There is a lot of horrible plays but there are also a lot of good one.  NFL level ability, throws and runs.  More than enough examples of good plays to say if he can play like that consistently then he can be an NFL starting QB.

It's very easy to see the biggest problem now is his confidence which has caused him to regress even more and make his good traits average or worse and his bad traits look like they can't be fixed.

We know he's a young kid.
We know last year the panthers did a horrible job putting in a position to be successful.
We know that our new head coach excels at helping and training QBs.
We know we've already paid a good deal of his contract.
We know he's very willing to learn and has a good attitude despite his situation.
We know he has the raw ability to play at this level because he has already done it.

There are a great number of reasons not to throw the kid out on his butt just yet.

We are at the bottom of the league.  We don't have the pleasure of throwing any potential away.

Worse case we miss out on a 4th or 5th round pick.  Best case, Canales is the real deal and he turns Bryce into the player he was in college but at the NFL level.

 

 

 

If my reply comes off argumentative, that is not my intention so please don’t take it as such. 

You said one word, probably subconsciously, in your post that immediately disqualifies him from being a QB in the NFL. You actually said it twice. Kid. It’s exactly how you see him, and exactly how the rest of the entire NFL sees him as well. 

Yes, he is a kid, he looks and acts like a kid and that exactly IS the problem. The NFL is for grown ass men. Period. Hell, our kicker looks like he collects ‘taxes’ as a side hustle. These are straight dudes. Men.  Nothing in his persona changed from last year to this.  Nothing in his physical stature. Nothing.

He has shown 0 development. 0. And he disrespects the entire organization, talking video games and Netflix in the offseason. Bro. Really. My man Chuba is busting his ass to look good for his second contract. Set himself up for life. How many RBs make it to even sign contract #3? First 2 games he has to run in to a brick wall continuously because Netflix can’t even get it over the LOS. 

He’s a kid who pulled off the biggest heist in world history. He looks happier on the sideline goofing around than he ever has looked on the field. It’s time to cut bait. 

[Gapanthersfan]

Too late to edit, but read my post and need to post a clarification. I meant to say “these are straight up DUDES.” The way I wrote it was quite ambiguous 

[Shotgun]

On 9/30/2024 at 11:30 AM, Jay Roosevelt said:

Sadly, I have to agree. I was as big a Bryce supporter as anyone, but there isn't any real doubt left at this point.

I will say, though, I don't think the issue is Bryce's arm strength or even his size as much as it is that the things that were supposed to be his biggest strengths (running the offense, reading defenses, processing, accuracy) have ended up not translating at all.

Had those things actually translated to the NFL, I don't think his size or arm strength would have prevented him from being a franchise QB. Unfortunately, they seemingly have not translated at all.

He literally cannot see over the line and throws a football like I do playing with my kids. He isn’t close to having the physicality to play in the NFL. It was obvious the moment he played his first game.

[Jay Roosevelt]

5 hours ago, Shotgun said:

He literally cannot see over the line and throws a football like I do playing with my kids. He isn’t close to having the physicality to play in the NFL. It was obvious the moment he played his first game.

It's not ideal, no. But I still think the primary reasons for his failure have been that all the things he was supposed to be great at just haven't translated to the NFL in any way. When you're not spotting obvious corner blitzes and making simple adjustments to protection you've got problems well beyond a few inches of height.

[strato]

7 hours ago, Shotgun said:

He literally cannot see over the line and throws a football like I do playing with my kids. He isn’t close to having the physicality to play in the NFL. It was obvious the moment he played his first game.

 Afaic his only chance to throw the football successfully at the NFL level is to stop doing what he did to get there, and start doing it right. 

His deal with being broken, to me, seems to stem from his inability to adapt from Alabama open to NFL open. That anticipation he needs to work with is fool's gold if he can't pull the throws off. Then, he doesn't trust himself. Won't throw it. Goes to yard ball running around directing his WRs. 

He might be able to function as a QB if he fixes all that.

It won't be easy. Seriously by the time he gets that straight, by then that 5th year option decision is probably looming.