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Bryce Young QB School

Jackie Lee

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20 minutes ago, frankw said:

Chuba Hubbard literally won us the game.

Overall the Carolina Panthers remain 29th in points per game. We are 30th in passing yards per game. Thanks to the QB play or lack thereof. Canales playcalling and use of personnel isn't helping at times either.

We have rookies as our starting receivers and tight ends.  Playcalling can improve though, the screens are becoming like the old 3rd and long Dan Henning draw play

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25 minutes ago, NAS said:

We have rookies as our starting receivers and tight ends.  Playcalling can improve though, the screens are becoming like the old 3rd and long Dan Henning draw play

Playcalling alone isn't going to change the fact that our QB room is bottom 3 in the league at best brosef.

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12 hours ago, strato said:

If it means a season of Young starting at QB no thanks, had enough. As much as I want to improve the defense, it ain't worth it.

That's fair but signing a veteran like Justin Fields to a one year deal and drafting defense with our first is always an option two. 

I personally don't think these QBs this year are top 10 worthy selections

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14 hours ago, strato said:

Tall, lol. But I said it the week before, he stood in and took the heat a couple of times. You have to be willing to do that. If this guy isn't gushing over good plays and blaming others for failures, like most of last year then maybe I'll watch.

The play calling, I think, has been totally centered around protecting him from stuff by not asking him to do things he struggles with. Limiting the offense and maybe leading to criticism of the play calling.

At the end of that game I felt like Canales probably was like, if you ever want to see the field again you will throw to the downfield option the play was designed for.

Because all of a sudden there goes the ball down the field more than once, which he has been afraid of doing since he came to the team. 

I believe you're smarter than this. Are you just being lazy with this statement?

As much as I have no desire to defend Bryce at this point,   I've never seen him as afraid to throw big.  

Unfortunately for rhe entire rookie season, he was running for his life.  That mentality is difficult to overcome.   I've seen him stand in the pocket plenty to try to make a play. 

Anyways, pray for our nation today, as either way this day will.be historic.  

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7 minutes ago, SOJA said:

That's fair but signing a veteran like Justin Fields to a one year deal and drafting defense with our first is always an option two. 

I personally don't think these QBs this year are top 10 worthy selections

I really don't care where they get a replacement from. I don't think you need a lot to replace what he gives you in the first place.

 Was against trading up for QB in 2023, and am not demanding we use the top on a QB this time. At the same time, if they do take one it is a much cheaper gamble, even if somehow they do get the top pick. Which I am not betting on.

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7 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

I believe you're smarter than this. Are you just being lazy with this statement?

As much as I have no desire to defend Bryce at this point,   I've never seen him as afraid to throw big.  

Unfortunately for rhe entire rookie season, he was running for his life.  That mentality is difficult to overcome.   I've seen him stand in the pocket plenty to try to make a play. 

Anyways, pray for our nation today, as either way this day will.be historic.  

I think I mean that, just glancing over it. 

He would not step into throws in pressure it is all on film. The passing charts bear it out. You can substitute a word of your choice for 'afraid' if that bothers you. The idea is the same, he would not do it for whatever reason. 

This goes all the way back to game 3 2023 when after two games of this small ball, Dalton went downfield and surprise surprise... you could really see the difference in the offense right away.

The last two games he has stood in there finally, better, but the actual aggressive downfield stuff just happened finally. DO I think he just all of a sudden decided hey I better start throwing down field? I think he is motivated by something, like staying off the bench.

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10 minutes ago, strato said:

I think I mean that, just glancing over it. 

He would not step into throws in pressure it is all on film. The passing charts bear it out. You can substitute a word of your choice for 'afraid' if that bothers you. The idea is the same, he would not do it for whatever reason. 

This goes all the way back top game 3 2023 when after two games of this small ball, Dalton went downfield and surprise surprise... you could really see the difference in the offense right away.

The last two games he has stood in there finally, better, but the actual aggressive downfield stuff just happened finally. DO I think he just all of a sudden decided hey I better start throwing down field? I think he is motivated by something, like staying off the bench.

I believe it was the finial drive with the game on the line, more so than any reason you're stating. 

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4 minutes ago, strato said:

And maybe the drive before that, throwing it OB on third and 6 or something. Which is the Bryce I know. 

I'm not confident we'll ever see Byrce as he us capable.   Depends on what the team decide do with him in the off-season.  

Even if we draft another QB, there isnno downside to keeping Bryce, unless we get offered decent value for him in trade. 

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7 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

I'm not confident we'll ever see Byrce as he us capable.   Depends on what the team decide do with him in the off-season.  

Even if we draft another QB, there isnno downside to keeping Bryce, unless we get offered decent value for him in trade. 

I was on board with keeping him simply because of that guaranteed deal, and we would need to replace him as backup.  Put another way we would need a backup anyway so why not get the value out of him?

But it just keeps the dream alive and I am afraid he will end up out there because of what is invested in him, and I am simply not aligned with that at all.

I mean, if you have an alcoholic in the house, keeping them sober is easier when they don't have the temptation within arm's reach. Bryce being the alcohol, Tepper being the alcoholic, in this little analogy. 

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12 minutes ago, strato said:

I mean, if you have an alcoholic in the house, keeping them sober is easier when they don't have the temptation within arm's reach. Bryce being the alcohol, Tepper being the alcoholic, in this little analogy. 

Terrible analogy sorry

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10 minutes ago, strato said:

I was on board with keeping him simply because of that guaranteed deal, and we would need to replace him as backup.  Put another way we would need a backup anyway so why not get the value out of him?

But it just keeps the dream alive and I am afraid he will end up out there because of what is invested in him, and I am simply not aligned with that at all.

I mean, if you have an alcoholic in the house, keeping them sober is easier when they don't have the temptation within arm's reach. Bryce being the alcohol, Tepper being the alcoholic, in this little analogy. 

I don't think you have to worry about keeping Young as the starter as long as Canales is making the call. If they are winning with him then it solves the situation for now. If they are losing with him then he's gone as soon as they can find a replacement. Investment will not control his fate now.  Only winning. 

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