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Bryce Young post benching if it were a full season worth of stats.


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2 minutes ago, frankw said:

I mean we've long discussed the fact that Cam did not live up to his outrageous phsyical traits as a passer because he never put his game together fully in that area. He didn't perfect the fundamentals. But anyone with eyes when putting his name next to Bridgewater should be able to tell the glaring difference between the two.

Bryce Young is one of the smallest starting QB's in the league. We drafted him to be a passing point guard who would elevate those around him. That's all we heard predraft. That's how he will succeed in this league if it is to happen.

He is literally the smallest qb ever in the modern era.  And it's fuging hilarious how the narrative around young has completely changed.  Now he needs a top oline, top rb and a top wr to be competitive.  Damn that is a far cry from what he was sold to us as

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4 minutes ago, Icege said:

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It's difficult to believe fans when they say that they want Bryce to succeed only to see them do everything they can to dismiss, diminish, invalidate, etc any supporting evidence that he's capable of being a quality NFL starting QB.

Jalen Hurts has been very up and down but Goff and Daniels have been playing like elite QB's. I can't put Bryce Young in the same conversation with them as of right now.

5 minutes ago, Icege said:

Hi, Teddy fan here. 😄

Yes.

How about we let Bryce Young play a season where he doesn't have games so ugly we have to exclude them from the sample size before we say who he's better than?

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17 minutes ago, frankw said:

One holds the record for rushing TD's for a QB the other is smaller than some high school QB's.

If Bryce succeeds in the NFL it will be as a passer.

What does that have to do with the validity of rushing TDs being included for one but not the other? Do Cam's passing TDs not count because his success depended on his physical athleticism that made him a running threat?

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2 minutes ago, frankw said:

How about we let Bryce Young play a season where he doesn't have games so ugly we have to exclude them from the sample size before we say who he's better than?

Look bubba, you're the only one here that seems to have access to the rulebook on what stats we can and can't use, which QBs we can and can't compare, when we're allowed to be excited about a player's performance, etc etc. Whenever you wanna upload that for the rest of us, pls do 😛

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1 minute ago, Icege said:

What does that have to do with the validity of rushing TDs being included for one but not the other? Do Cam's passing TDs not count because his success depended on his physical athleticism that made him a running threat?

Cam Newton paved the way for a lot of these QB's you see now. Good and bad. Good in the sense that now it is commonplace to see it in within a QB's toolbox but bad in the sense that said QB's and their coaches know there has to be a balance and when it comes down to it more often than not you win rings throwing the ball.

As far as this conversation my issue was less with the rushing TD's but more egregiously combining passing and rushing yards as if Bryce Young is going to be a continued running threat when all it's going to take is one defender laying the wood on him like what happened to Sam Darnold (remember Sam Newton?) against the Falcons and that will be the end of it.

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7 minutes ago, Icege said:

Look bubba, you're the only one here that seems to have access to the rulebook on what stats we can and can't use, which QBs we can and can't compare, when we're allowed to be excited about a player's performance, etc etc. Whenever you wanna upload that for the rest of us, pls do 😛

Before the draft he was being compared to Drew Brees Peyton Manning Patrick Mahomes Steph Curry Michael Jordan and Bruce Lee among others.

He's not playing like one of the worst QB's in the league anymore which is good. But mentioning him in the same breath as current elite QB's among their peers is no less jumping to conclusions than anyone else on the other end of the spectrum.

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3 minutes ago, frankw said:

Cam Newton paved the way for a lot of these QB's you see now. Good and bad. Good in the sense that now it is commonplace to see it in within a QB's toolbox but bad in the sense that said QB's and their coaches know there has to be a balance and when it comes down to it more often than not you win rings throwing the ball.

As far as this conversation my issue was less with the rushing TD's but more egregiously combining passing and rushing yards as if Bryce Young is going to be a continued running threat when all it's going to take is one defender laying the wood on him like what happened to Sam Darnold (remember Sam Newton?) against the Falcons and that will be the end of it.

Couldn't agree more with the first paragraph. The way that guys like Moon, Young, Vick, and Cam played revolutionized the QB position from being a position that was just another part of the rushing attack to being the passing attack for a team to now being a hybrid of the two. That's why I think that it's a disservice to them to not look at the way a QB's legs affects the field and while Bryce isn't a threat to burn the field taking it to the house or steam roll a defender, it's also not reasonable to deny that his scrambling ability is better than his peers.

He's not exactly going to be taking a defender out of the play because they have to leave a spy on him like you're saying, but he's also going to take advantage of that when a play breaks down like we saw vs. Arizona.

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He is playing better than Spencer rattler, Daniel jones, maybe jameis winston depending on how you value interceptions v passing downfield, whoever is playing in Jacksonville or Tennessee, probably Anthony Richardson. This is an accomplishment so embarrassing it’s not worth bringing up  

this as I pointed out is mostly against the five or so worst defenses in the league. 

he’d be at best the third best rookie qb this season. 

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