Black Monday Comes Early in New England

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

Having a bad roster is not having a dumpster fire of an organization.  Yes of course Brady/BB had the most to do with it, but they still have 6 SB's and not too far removed from them.  They have/had trouble getting out of the BB regime, which isn't abnormal given how much he had control there, but I wouldn't put them in the same category as many of the poorly run franchises.

They also have a ton of cap room and a really good looking rookie QB.

 

You don't end up with that little talent accidentally. It has been years of poor drafting and letting their best talent walk. That is why they are this bad. 

There is no real indication that has turned around and firing your HC after one year is a really, really, REALLY obvious sign you are a bad franchise.

[Shocker]

Ben Johnson to the Cowboys

 

[Davidson Deac II]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

I will make another bet. Johnson will stay in Detroit.

He might leave. Doubt he goes to Jacksonville though. 

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

You don't end up with that little talent accidentally. It has been years of poor drafting and letting their best talent walk. That is why they are this bad. 

There is no real indication that has turned around and firing your HC after one year is a really, really, REALLY obvious sign you are a bad franchise.

They've had some poor drafts because BB was losing his edge and trying to outsmart everyone by being contrarian too much, it's what caused the roster to be where it's at, not the franchise as a whole.  

When you have a run like that and a coach who had that track record, it made all the sense in the world to turn the keys over to him.  Sure they let him go too long with it and that's on the Kraft's a little, but it doesn't mean they're an awful franchise because of it.

But they also have their QB in place and a stupid amount of cap room to build things up right.

I think that's why they fired Mayo, not because they're a poorly run franchise.  They see this as the chance to either get Vrabel who they know can run a team well and has history with them, or they can pair Maye with an innovative offensive minded HC who they can grow with and hopefully make them contenders for a long time.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

They've had some poor drafts because BB was losing his edge and trying to outsmart everyone by being contrarian too much, it's what caused the roster to be where it's at, not the franchise as a whole.  

When you have a run like that and a coach who had that track record, it made all the sense in the world to turn the keys over to him.  Sure they let him go too long with it and that's on the Kraft's a little, but it doesn't mean they're an awful franchise because of it.

But they also have their QB in place and a stupid amount of cap room to build things up right.

I think that's why they fired Mayo, not because they're a poorly run franchise.  They see this as the chance to either get Vrabel who they know can run a team well and has history with them, or they can pair Maye with an innovative offensive minded HC who they can grow with and hopefully make them contenders for a long time.

But the run to Vrabel isn't waving the flag of being a competent franchise. It's more floundering to try to cling to the old Patriots Way glory. And I like Vrabel but I don't think that will work out at all.

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

But the run to Vrabel isn't waving the flag of being a competent franchise. It's more floundering to try to cling to the old Patriots Way glory. And I like Vrabel but I don't think that will work out at all.

I didn't get why the Titans fired Vrabel, he's a great coach who was never able to find a good QB, but that's not always the coaches fault.

Going offensive makes sense given Maye being so young and it would be good to pair him with one of those type of HC's, but even if they go Vrabel, that's a big upgrade at HC over Mayo, regardless of how it works out in the end.

[TLGPanthersFan]

16 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

He might leave. Doubt he goes to Jacksonville though. 

I think he is waiting to win a Super Bowl. If the Lions win then he is gone. If they miss again I have a feeling he will stay. Seems like he really doesn't care about become a head coach right now.

[Davidson Deac II]

Pedersen was let go today.

[CRA]

Just now, Davidson Deac II said:

Pedersen was let go today.

GM still surviving is pretty insane.  He pre-dates Urban. 

[Davidson Deac II]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

GM still surviving is pretty insane.  He pre-dates Urban. 

Yeah, but I wonder if that means he is just a yes man.  

 

The Giants are keeping Daboll. That surprises me more than any other move or non move.

[Jackson113.2]

Is this the Black monday thread? I always like to see which teams go full retard on Black Monday. 

[kungfoodude]

9 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Yeah, but I wonder if that means he is just a yes man.  

 

The Giants are keeping Daboll. That surprises me more than any other move or non move.

Agreed. I think he will fail again next year be unemployed.