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Anyone left who does not believe in Bryce ?

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13 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

I am convinced the staff was not confident in Bryce and that was why they didn’t play him. 
They were right since our starters struggled again the Bills 3rd string. 

yep, same with Reich, once they saw him practice they were like "yeah, no......."

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1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

yep, same with Reich, once they saw him practice they were like "yeah, no......."

It's why they benched him after 2 games. If your highly drafted QB is lighting it up in practice but struggling game day you find a way to work it out. He sucked everywhere.

His turnaround has been miraculous and if he actually makes himself a long term, quality starter, it's gonna be incredibly fortunate for us.

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2 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

There's plenty that do not believe in Young.

Gotta give them credit: they've at least updated some of their narratives

  • From: "He's too small to play in the NFL and will die on the field"
    Fair to believe he'd get beat up as an outlier on the smaller side for pro NFL QBs, but after surviving what was then the second (now third) most times a rookie QB was sacked in a season and only missing one game due to an OL falling on his ankle (something that effectively ended Matt Corral's time with the team), I think that most reasonable folks can agree that this is no longer the red flag that it was once waved as.
     
  • To: "His arm is too weak to throw passed the line of scrimmage"
    Again, being fair to the spirit of the argument: Bryce's deep ball is not the best in the league. It also isn't the worst, but he rarely had opportunities to show that he has an NFL caliber arm in his rookie season considering how much duress he was under due to the conditions of the offense surrounding him. This season since returning from benching and learning to trust the guys in front of him, Bryce has shown that he can and will throw deep in the NFL. 
     
  • From: "He'll never be a starting QB in the NFL"
    Given how poorly Bryce played last season, this was a difficult narrative to take in good faith because people that know ball could clearly see the poo show that the Panthers were with all of those all-star cooks in the kitchen, injuries across the OL, and underperformance by most of the players brought in to supposedly improve the team. However, the way those first two games of the season played out in Year 2... it looked like Bryce might already be broken before he had a chance to develop into a true NFL starter. Then he came back from his benching and looked like the prospect from Bama that scouts had fallen in love with despite his measurables.
     
  • To: "He'll never be a top 10 - 20 QB"
    Given the assets traded for him, it's fair to demand that Young show that he could be a top level passer in the NFL. With everything invested into going and getting him, that pick needed to more than pan out. Similar to the starting QB take, it was fair given his first two weeks of the season to assume that he was broken (or for some, proven to be exactly who they thought he was). But just make sure you're prepared for all of the data points and charts showing that he might have arrived.
     
  • From: "You have to pay any price to trade up to the highest pick possible in order to draft a franchise QB."
    We all understand that the #1 overall pick means that their team gets first dibs and are able to get their guy, and that any pick after that is one more chance for that player to not be available when the team takes him... but there was a lot of folks that pointed out that rookie QBs are known to struggle more than they are to take off from day 1. There's also the asset drain being undertaken in order to get one player instead of multiple. It goes on and on. This, tbh, is just something that folks will be in separate camps over and that's ok.
     
  • To: "He'll never be worth what we traded for him"
    Look... I can't address this one in good faith because the folks saying it, from what I've seen, are the same ones that were pounding the "pay any price to move up" drum. Only problem now is that the guy they wanted wasn't the guy that the team wanted.
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1 minute ago, Icege said:

Gotta give them credit: they've at least updated some of their narratives

  • From: "He's too small to play in the NFL and will die on the field"
    Fair to believe he'd get beat up as an outlier on the smaller side for pro NFL QBs, but after surviving what was then the second (now third) most times a rookie QB was sacked in a season and only missing one game due to an OL falling on his ankle (something that effectively ended Matt Corral's time with the team), I think that most reasonable folks can agree that this is no longer the red flag that it was once waved as.
     
  • To: "His arm is too weak to throw passed the line of scrimmage"
    Again, being fair to the spirit of the argument: Bryce's deep ball is not the best in the league. It also isn't the worst, but he rarely had opportunities to show that he has an NFL caliber arm in his rookie season considering how much duress he was under due to the conditions of the offense surrounding him. This season since returning from benching and learning to trust the guys in front of him, Bryce has shown that he can and will throw deep in the NFL. 
     
  • From: "He'll never be a starting QB in the NFL"
    Given how poorly Bryce played last season, this was a difficult narrative to take in good faith because people that know ball could clearly see the poo show that the Panthers were with all of those all-star cooks in the kitchen, injuries across the OL, and underperformance by most of the players brought in to supposedly improve the team. However, the way those first two games of the season played out in Year 2... it looked like Bryce might already be broken before he had a chance to develop into a true NFL starter. Then he came back from his benching and looked like the prospect from Bama that scouts had fallen in love with despite his measurables.
     
  • To: "He'll never be a top 10 - 20 QB"
    Given the assets traded for him, it's fair to demand that Young show that he could be a top level passer in the NFL. With everything invested into going and getting him, that pick needed to more than pan out. Similar to the starting QB take, it was fair given his first two weeks of the season to assume that he was broken (or for some, proven to be exactly who they thought he was).
     
  • From: "You have to pay any price to trade up to the highest pick possible in order to draft a franchise QB."
    We all understand that the #1 overall pick means that their team gets first dibs and are able to get their guy, and that any pick after that is one more chance for that player to not be available when the team takes him... but there was a lot of folks that pointed out that rookie QBs are known to struggle more than they are to take off from day 1. There's also the asset drain being undertaken in order to get one player instead of multiple. It goes on and on. This, tbh, is just something that folks will be in separate camps over and that's ok.
     
  • To: "He'll never be worth what we traded for him"
    Look... I can't address this one in good faith because the folks saying it, from what I've seen, are the same ones that were pounding the "pay any price to move up" drum. Only problem now is that the guy they wanted wasn't the guy that the team wanted.

thats fuging wild you actually took the time to type out that gibberish

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