ed johnson

[carolina-chuck]

i was looking through youtube and visited some clips of panthers mini camp. saw that ed johnson #99 who was suppose to be a major part of the new dline wasnt pleasing the line coach some bit. seems lazy or out of place. thinking we should find another DT to add depth. why not jon henderson.

http://www.youtube.com/user/dmcland72#p/u/6/1UbxWaWhhm0

http://www.youtube.com/user/dmcland72#p/u/10/I6iGfK9RO-4

[CatMan72]

I think they're just kicking the tires on Ed to see if he has anything left. I was at mini-camp (I shot those vids) and I can tell you Brian Baker was riding Ed Johnson all practice for not hustling. Hard to tell if Ed was out of shape or just lazy, but in either case it doesn't look good for him right now - this guy was cut by the Colts on performance and didn't have many suitors besides the Panthers (if any) and he shows up to mini-camp out of shape and/or plays without hustle.

Jon Henderson doesn't fit our scheme, I could see us bringing in a guy like Marlon Favorite especially since he showed well here last year.

[jramsey4]

Anyone else very concerned with our DT depth? I still can't believe we passed on Jeff Owens in the 6th.

[BF91]

Anyone else very concerned with our DT depth? I still can't believe we passed on Jeff Owens in the 6th.

I am. I was hoping we'd draft Cam Thomas, even knowing he doesn't fit our system. He was one of the higher-ranked DT's on the board, so when he fell I was hoping we'd move into the fifth to grab him.

The defensive line as a whole is a concern for me. I know Brayton will be solid and I have confidence in Johnson to step up and maybe get ~10 sacks this year, but depth worries me across the board. Leonard and Tyler looked good in limited time last year, but they need to carry that over and stay healthy.

[DynastyRTR]

I wanted us to take Brandon Deaderick in the 6th(compensation)...next year's 1st round pick will be on a DT if either Tank Tyler or Louis Leonard aren't able to get the job done...

[KillerKat]

How does Jon Henderson not fit our scheme? A DT is a a DT. If they have to adjust, it's very minimal. You're on the line, guy is in front of you. Get through that guy or clog the middle. The end.

[SorthNarolina]

How does Jon Henderson not fit our scheme? A DT is a a DT. If they have to adjust, it's very minimal. You're on the line, guy is in front of you. Get through that guy or clog the middle. The end.

that's a big NO

[scpanther22]

we could use a guy with more size.

[Razeyfingers]

DT is absolutely scary to me right now. I think we might be ducks in a tight spot with this 2011 lockout looming. Still, it seemed to me that this was a very deep DT draft and if that's the case then somebodies gotta fall off those other rosters once things get into full swing again.

You know Fox is looking to get some DT lovin on the cheap and unfortunately I think H will be gone by then anyways.

[Ohio]

Anybody but Nick Hayden

[WilkinsonDonnie]

The Colts signed Marlon Favorite a couple days ago, I didnt see him riding Ed Johnson that hard, but I wasnt there for the whole mini camp. I think Ed knows he needs to show up big this year or face falling out of the NFL.

[St.Jimmy]

My friend is a Colts fan and he told me not to expect anything from this guy.

[Cyberjag]

I think they're just kicking the tires on Ed to see if he has anything left. I was at mini-camp (I shot those vids) and I can tell you Brian Baker was riding Ed Johnson all practice for not hustling. Hard to tell if Ed was out of shape or just lazy, but in either case it doesn't look good for him right now - this guy was cut by the Colts on performance and didn't have many suitors besides the Panthers (if any) and he shows up to mini-camp out of shape and/or plays without hustle.

Jon Henderson doesn't fit our scheme, I could see us bringing in a guy like Marlon Favorite especially since he showed well here last year.

I doubt Ed has anything left, and I'm not sure he had a ton to begin with. But Jon Henderson is a 6'7 330 lb'er who can play Nose or Under, and gets pressure while clogging the middle. He's not as good as Jenkins, but he's the same type of DT.

He also started mailing it in last year to the point where the coach called him out publicly. That's not what you want in a locker room without a lot of veteran leadership.

How does Jon Henderson not fit our scheme? A DT is a a DT. If they have to adjust, it's very minimal. You're on the line, guy is in front of you. Get through that guy or clog the middle. The end.

I think you might be over-generalizing just a bit. This site has some very good information about different defensive sets in general, and in it there's detailed explanations for the different DT responsibilities in each. That will give you some appreciation for why some DTs work in some defenses and not others. Or why Hayden sucked so bad when he took over for Kemo but not so much when he was backing up Lewis.

I don't see us going after anyone cut by the Jags, but Henderson is one of those rare types who can play multiple roles well.

[ElectricBlue]

This site has some very good information about different defensive sets in general, and in it there's detailed explanations for the different DT responsibilities in each.

Thanks for the link. Long read, but I sure learned a lot. Henderson might be able to help us, but I really doubt we bring in anyone else before the start of the season. I still wish we picked up someone like Cam Thomas in the draft.