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27 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

everyone keeps saying trade back but it takes two to tango and from what I gather the only guy that would warrant someone potentially to move up would be tet.  So we are a bit limited there

It's an easy draft for a team with a need to take a swing. It's certainly not give  but it also only ties one team to make it happen.

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6 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I don't want BC really. Dude has had tons of chances and I hope we aren't the team to overpay. We need depth and that's why I hope it's a trade back. RT and C are not strong spots long term and could actually be weaknesses faster.

I think I would keep Ickey at LT and see if anyone trades up if a LT is there at our pick. People here didn't want to trade back very far but so far it but if it gave is more ammo in the 2nd and early 3rd I would be thrilled. So far but still.

I do want to keep him because he is cheap and he is a valuable backup at multiple spots.

Taking away a valuable backup is just another big hole to fill.

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2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I do want to keep him because he is cheap and he is a valuable backup at multiple spots.

Taking away a valuable backup is just another big hole to fill.

Exactly.  If other teams see him the same way - valuable backup - we should be able to keep him.  If another team sees him as a starter, then we should let him go.

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3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I do want to keep him because he is cheap and he is a valuable backup at multiple spots.

Taking away a valuable backup is just another big hole to fill.

I don't  like his availability. It's  the same as Corbett for me. I would take a swing g elsewhere personally even if he does have the versatility

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22 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I don't  like his availability. It's  the same as Corbett for me. I would take a swing g elsewhere personally even if he does have the versatility

I do not know circumstances, but I am pretty sure that BC did not cut it at LG and he sucked at center when Cade took over and played well.  I have always thought his role would be as a swing OT.  His arms are short, but he really has not spent time at T, his college position.  So I am not sure how valuable he is if he has not played well at G or C.

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4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I think he will draw some but Panther fans MASSIVELY overrate him. He is a valuable backup and that's really it.

I think he was an older rookie, which means he is pushing 30 right now.  Probably a valuable backup, but if you need for a long stretch, bryce is in trouble.

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5 minutes ago, Shocker said:

@MHS831 great post much appreciated.  Has there been any news on Brooks lately?  Wondering if there is any chance we could see him next season 

No, and I don't talk to this person frequently.  I have the same curiosity--let me see what s/he knows--but it could be a while.  I feel this person does not like people asking for insider info--but that could be me.  S/he has never said a word about it.

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