Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Rough Depth Chart (with position analyses)


MHS831
 Share

Recommended Posts

2 hours ago, shaq said:

This is a great post, love to hear a discussion on our needs with great analysis. Props to you man, been carrying the huddle this offseason with your posts! Appreciate you my man

I appreciate you as well, brother.

  • Beer 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Nice post...but I have really lost touch in keeping up with players and who has the talent over the last 7 years....I can only name a handful of players that I like and know about. I said 3 years ago, if they did everything right, we should be delivering this season... Looks like we are still 2-3 years out. Hope this upcoming season is built on hope.   But I still have to say the obligatory fk Tepper for my lack of interest....

Edited by Johnstonny
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, Camp Fodder said:

54 mil for a backup?

This was kind of why this was a big head scratcher. He is a pass rush specialist, not a 3 down player. He is historically quite bad against the run. You know, the thing that we really didn't do well with last year?

If that's the plan.....oh wee mayne.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

It would be a Legette-type pick, if you ask me.  I think drafting Jones may have reduced his lust for Stewart.  To me, all signs point to Walker or CB Will Johnson (let me explain:  If the defensive front becomes our strength, then the offense will throw it more. If Moehrig becomes a box safety, that might indicate that we are in a cover three look a lot.  Johnson is a zone CB, but Horn and Jackson can man up and press if needed. Smith-Wade then becomes the Dime back, as God intended.  If all this is how they are thinking, Will Johnson is attractive at #8).  I still see a free agent WR in our future.  It is also noteworthy that what I just described requires a smart, athletic FS.  There are some good S in the draft, but not a FS who can cover the field as a cover 3 deep S if necessary--the kid from South Carolina stands out. Just speculating--I have no idea what the are doing-hope they do. 

Don't sleep on the fact we are pursuing/did pursue DK and Higgins. I think McMillian may very much be on the table at 8.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks @MHS831 !!

 

I count 33-35 "names"

Toss in 9 draft picks and 2 UDFAs.......that's only 45 players.

WOW at the OL, that has be the best on paper in panther history

 

***alert*** //// ***alert*** rumor alert. Mike kaye and other Panthers voices keep hinting about Icky.

If you look at the draft visits, you can see 2 LTs...hmmm. The idea is in the future to move Icky over to RT(better fit and save a little $$$), let motion retire/leave/______, and draft a LT that the collection group of OL coaches(three of them) want as LT. By then BY will need some new insane deal, but LT will be on a rookie deal at the same time. 

I sorta believe that one plans and some feel its the top plan. 

 

  • Pie 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Fantastic thread and thank you for breaking down the positions.  I love when guys do that as when fans know what we require from our personal and what the SAM LB does in a 3-4 it gives one a much better idea of who fits.

If the draft falls right and we get a DT in the 1st or 2nd round I think we'll cut Robinson.  He's run stopping insurance and can play both DE and DT.  Evero will have a ton of different looks and formations. 

I think we really want a strong rotation, a la the Eagles.  Wharton/Brown = Milton Williams.  The details of Wharton's deal have not been shown yet except that 30 mil is guaranteed so at worse it's a 2 year/30 mil deal but heavily incentive laden to make it to that 52 so the deal will end up much better than what it looks like at first glance. 

We obviously need a starting FS.  Considering our safety needs, defensive scheme and that he played under Evero in Denver, I'm shocked we have not already signed Justin Simmons.  He is getting up there in age but he'd be a great stopgap with tons of experience. 

While we do need a #1 WR I think there is a good chance XL or Coker can turn into that.  If the BPA is Tet at 8 and we can't trade back or we trade back and a top WR like Egbuka in the mid 1st.

Trade back is my 1st option because of the large number of edge talent in the 1st round.  Carter, Mason and Hunter are the only guys that would make me not want to trade back.

Jalon Walker is the guy I really want.  I think his skill and intelligence are elite.  He's a true hybrid which Evero would love.  He can also be a defense defining type player.

Stewart, Williams, Pearce, Green at edge would all be great additions. 

If somehow Kenneth Grant, Walter Nolan drop to the 2nd I would run to turn in my draft card but I would not be mad at Alfred Collins or Deone Walker for a true run stopping nose tackle.  One of these guys could even fall to the 3rd round.
 

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Don't sleep on the fact we are pursuing/did pursue DK and Higgins. I think McMillian may very much be on the table at 8.

Perhaps but I think they may be a bit reluctant since they have drafted receiver high the last 3 years and would prefer a known commodity. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

All you "Wharton" will be a starter guys, not to offend anyone. 1st and 10 unless your 6'1 280LBs 3-4 end is a world beater, you 100% start the 6'4 325 LBs man-beast. He should be better against the run and ........ who is going to tell this man he's on the bench-

usatsi_9743592.webp.db6e7b399197226470d2fd1438267c41.webp

 

You better walk with Jesus......

 

 

So that means Dan did pay 15 per with 30 in guarantees(holy fucccccccck!!!!) for rotational DT that's never played in 3-4 and just had his career high in sacks after 5 years in the league.....

That's all-pro money aka you need to make a difference in the games score.

Massive pay no matter what type of shill fan you claim, Brandt Tilis is on the hook sense he watched over wharton during his time. Panther tax x4, my god...

  • Pie 1
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Camp Fodder said:

Perhaps but I think they may be a bit reluctant since they have drafted receiver high the last 3 years and would prefer a known commodity. 

I do agree that their evaluation of WR's is the worst in the NFL but it's also a tough position to be able to pay premium(or in our case likely premium+) prices to afford. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, Icege said:

A starting FS, back-up FS, back-up CB, RB2/3, WR, and another TE sets the team up nicely for the draft to go BPA.

 

I think caleb fairley can return for another cheap deal. But they claim that viking starter and kept the Barth dude around for the whole year. He was the top wavier claim among teams. 

 

FS is starting to scare me some.......

 

RB should be filled with one cheap FA proven(Rico Dowdle come home) and draft on mid-round that may have return skills

 

TE my main target was taken by shitheel Sean Payton, I think drafting one in the mid-round is path as well. 

  • Pie 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Exactly what I was going to say. Brady seems to be taking a page out of Olsen's playbook, which is probably a good thing. They'll probably get around to giving Brady an Emmy one day, and he should thank Olsen for giving him the blueprint for success.
    • In before: "XL sucks, there is no hope." "As long as we have Bryce, none of this matters." My response: "It's X, not XL...we're not discussing apparel sizes, or we'd have to consider XS."  
    • Alain Pierre provides some food for thought on Last Word On Sports regarding Xavier Legette, and his article, though specifically on X, kind of puts me in the mind of QBs being overdrafted and put into situations that they're not prepared for, some ultimately failing due to drafting missteps by front offices who don't necessarily view prospective players within the contextual importance that situations demand.  At this point, Legette looks like a failure in reference to expectations, of not only what a consistently productive NFL receiver looks like, but a first round pick (which he obviously should never have been). But the story on X isn't necessarily completely over. Damn. I seem to be experiencing deja vu...It wasn't X's fault that he was overdrafted, that was a choice by an FO that obviously downplayed actual realized skill vs outstanding measurables and upside. Sure, the FO was impressed by X's one-year feats during his senior season at South Carolina, but it was the NFL god, RAS (a.k.a. Raw Athletic Score), that had Dave Canales's and Dan Morgan's jaws dropping in amazement at the sight of X running around in underwear at the Combine...   "At 6-foot-3 and over 220 pounds, Legette brought rare athletic upside to the position. His breakout season at South Carolina showed flashes of dominance that NFL teams dream of. Projecting forward, many scouts compared his physical profile to D.K. Metcalf, and the Panthers clearly believed they could develop him into a true wide receiver 1 over time. The issue was never his talent. The issue was the timeline. Just a few picks later, the Chargers selected Ladd McConkey, a receiver who may have lacked Xavier Legette’s physical ceiling but entered the league far more technically refined. McConkey immediately showed advanced route discipline, leverage awareness, good pacing, and separation ability.  Bryce Young’s game has always depended on timing and anticipation. His best football at Alabama came with receivers capable of winning through precision rather than pure athleticism. Jameson Williams and John Metchie III were excellent route runners and were able to get drafted in 2022. McConkey naturally fit that style of play. Legette, meanwhile, needed significant development in the exact areas where Bryce Young needed help. The Panthers drafted traits when Bryce Young needed reliability."   Yes, the FO was guilty. The good thing is that the execs appear to be improving. Some of that may be attributed to the hiring of Eric Eager (who was hired right after the Xavier Legette draft). Eager seems to have helped the Panthers FO fine-tune their analytical progress, and, at least on paper, they acquired players with a lot of value during the last draft in regards to actually (what I'll refer to as) "underdrafting" talent relative to their position with value already built in.  Look at Chris Brazzell: He may be more of the quintessential project receiver who was arguably more or less just as raw as Legette was when he was drafted, and with a relatively high RAS as well. The notable difference is value, as Brazzell was a round three pick and Legette was a first rounder.    "Unlike the Xavier Legette situation, Carolina’s environment for Brazzell is completely different. "The Panthers are not asking a raw receiver prospect to stabilize this offense for Bryce Young. "Brazzell enters a much healthier developmental situation with far less pressure. With Tetairoa McMillan established as the primary target and Jalen Coker continuing to settle as the number 2 option...Xavier Legette, Metchie III, and Jimmy Horn Jr. are also still in this rotation, fighting for reps. "It gives Carolina something they failed to give Legette when they drafted him: A developmental runway. "Xavier Legette entered the league with expectations attached to a first-round pick and an offense desperate for answers. Brazzell enters a room where he can spend a year working on his route running, learning the playbook, and earning snaps gradually rather than being asked to become part of Bryce Young’s solution immediately. "And truthfully, Brazzell needs that time coming out of college. Despite his elite physical tools, many evaluators have several concerns about his overall polish as a receiver. "His route tree at Tennessee was viewed as fairly limited due to the type of offense that they run. The receivers are expected to run a lot of choice routes, which are dictated by the placement of the defenders. It doesn’t require technical route-running and an understanding of the playbook needed at the NFL level...   "Context changes significantly when expectations change. "The Panthers are not depending on Brazzell to save the offense. They can allow him to develop slowly, expand his route tree, improve his technical refinement, and learn behind a much more stable receiver room... "Traits become much easier to bet on when patience is built into the plan."   It's all about understanding your situation. I don't agree that it's an inherently difficult choice like the author is suggesting in the following excerpt. At the very least, I think that it should be easier as long as all parties involved stay levelheaded and true to their process.    "That is what makes these draft decisions so difficult. "Every front office believes it can find the next Metcalf, Owens, or Marshall. Sometimes they do. More often, they are betting on a development path that may take years to complete. "The challenge is understanding what your offense needs right now. "If a team has patience, stability, and a quarterback capable of carrying the offense while a receiver develops, betting on traits can make sense. But if a young quarterback needs immediate help, there is a strong argument for prioritizing the receiver who already knows how to separate, create throwing , and earn trust from day one. "That’s why the Xavier Legette-Ladd McConkey debate remains so fascinating. "It was never really a discussion about talent. It was a discussion about timing."   For me, Ladd McConkey was talented enough in his own right, that the gap--the upside--was never as big as people are suggesting between not only McConkey and Legette, but McConkey and other receivers drafted in the first round during that draft. The technique divide between Ladd and X was pretty stark though, as was the roughly 35 pounds, but the speed was identical, the maybe 1½ height difference isn't huge (6' and 6'1"), and it may surprise some that Ladd's RAS (9.34) was also enough to put him in the top 10 percent of receivers since 1987. There is an argument that he would've been a better pick for Bryce and the Panthers, regardless of timeline and talent. But, I still appreciate the thesis (if you will) of the article, as it still provides some hope--perhaps a glimmer at this point, that X's RAS may finally translate to the NFL given more time, but, perhaps more importantly, it explains how Dan Morgan and company are showing improvement, even if it appears somewhat understated. My hope is that continued improvement is palpable by this time next year. https://lastwordonsports.com/nfl/2026/05/30/xavier-legette-draft-lessons/#google_vignette        
×
×
  • Create New...