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Was the wide receiver blocking problem for Panthers

posthumecaver

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I have a feeling the reason that our running game didn't function Sunday was the WR blocking.

I think Steve Smith is little bit worried about the arm, at one situation that I saw, if he can just block or delay the corner, Steward would have a clear path to the goal line.. Normally Smith is a fierce blocker but on that situation, I had impression that he hesitated for one second.....

And our other WRs doesn't have the Moose blocking ability at the moment....normally WR smust seal the edge but when Williams and Steward try to cutback to outside there was always a non-blocked safety or corner there.....

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Not to mention I don't even remember too many runs that were even outside near the wide receivers. I think that's what I was most upset about...how many times have we seen dwill get 5,6,7 yards on those toss sweeps. We never did it once...seemed like everything was up te middle...and that little delay they did about 6 times was effective but you have to change it up. Maybe they were setting it up for the second half but then abandoned the run too early and never got to it. The playcalling to me was the downfall of the running game.

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The problem IMO was that whereas last year you would see our OL blow up their DL and have our guards on their LBs by the time the RB reached the line of scrimmage, last week we were getting blown off the line by their DL and LBs were shooting the gaps. Our RBs were hardly ever able to reach the LOS.

I have to admit, aside from the blocking, I don't think I've ever seen DLo go down to so many arm tackles in a game, ever. I really think Bernadeau is questionable as a starter right now, it seems that was where a great deal of the problems were coming from without going back to look at the game.

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We missed Hoover. Fee didn't get it done. A good FB blocking would open holes to the LB's.

That's not really true. The giants dline plugged all the gaps before fee could even get there. My worrie is that we practiced pass blocking more then run blocking in the pre season and it has effected us. Or that the giants dline is just that good. One or the other.

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Ya, the O-line blocking was the problem, not the WRs. And that was one thing I saw in the game I really liked, the delay plays. They worked well and are the kinds play I've been hoping to see more of since Deangelo started starting.

Not to mention I don't even remember too many runs that were even outside near the wide receivers. I think that's what I was most upset about...how many times have we seen dwill get 5,6,7 yards on those toss sweeps. We never did it once...seemed like everything was up te middle...and that little delay they did about 6 times was effective but you have to change it up. Maybe they were setting it up for the second half but then abandoned the run too early and never got to it. The playcalling to me was the downfall of the running game.
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The problem IMO was that whereas last year you would see our OL blow up their DL and have our guards on their LBs by the time the RB reached the line of scrimmage, last week we were getting blown off the line by their DL and LBs were shooting the gaps. Our RBs were hardly ever able to reach the LOS.

I have to admit, aside from the blocking, I don't think I've ever seen DLo go down to so many arm tackles in a game, ever. I really think Bernadeau is questionable as a starter right now, it seems that was where a great deal of the problems were coming from without going back to look at the game.

It's not just Bernadeau but also Shwarts as well. I've not really seen this discussed on here since the game but if you look at the adjustments the Giants made at the half it was to put overload the left side of the Panthers line leaving the right side in one on one coverage. Knowing that Shwarts and Bernadeau couldn't even handle that the Giants D focus on crashing the left side of the line, where our best and most experineced lineman are.

There was one pass play where Shwarts and Bernadeau doubled a lineman while Kalil, Wharton and Gross where left to block 3 d-lineman and 2 blitzing LBers. Needless to say the play resulted in a sack.

I think that having Otah back could help Bernadeau but he is still a liability. Robinson not showing up this offseason really put the line in a bad position and I'm surprised they haven't went out to find a new RG yet. But Kalil and Hangerman both struggled when they first got their starts and after a while, with other experienced lineman around them, they pulled it together. Maybe thats what they are hoping for with the return of Otah.

As for the OP concerning the WR. Not only where they playing the run well, they were running great routs and getting good separation. The problem with the passing game and the running game was on the o-line.

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Like someone said Gross isn't playing his best ball either right now. Quite frankly everyone on the O-line is getting dominated at some point or another. I want to say we really miss Otah, but Otah isn't going to help Moore from getting sacked from the blind-side. Maybe we are just out of sync because we didn't run the ball all that much in the preseason, but I hate making random excuses. They all just need to play better and they know that.

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It's not just Bernadeau but also Shwarts as well. I've not really seen this discussed on here since the game but if you look at the adjustments the Giants made at the half it was to put overload the left side of the Panthers line leaving the right side in one on one coverage. Knowing that Shwarts and Bernadeau couldn't even handle that the Giants D focus on crashing the left side of the line, where our best and most experineced lineman are.

There was one pass play where Shwarts and Bernadeau doubled a lineman while Kalil, Wharton and Gross where left to block 3 d-lineman and 2 blitzing LBers. Needless to say the play resulted in a sack.

I think that having Otah back could help Bernadeau but he is still a liability. Robinson not showing up this offseason really put the line in a bad position and I'm surprised they haven't went out to find a new RG yet. But Kalil and Hangerman both struggled when they first got their starts and after a while, with other experienced lineman around them, they pulled it together. Maybe thats what they are hoping for with the return of Otah.

As for the OP concerning the WR. Not only where they playing the run well, they were running great routs and getting good separation. The problem with the passing game and the running game was on the o-line.

Good post man. I didn't actually see what they were doing with overloading the left side, but it makes sense and shows what a liability the guys on the right side are right now. I think Schwartz does pretty good, I really do think it's mostly Bernadeau. Depending on the play, he pulls a lot, and I think that was another problem on power plays and stuff like that is that he wasn't getting out there.

I'm not going to pretend like I can pinpoint it on him b/c I don't have the game film, but my first impression was that he was the 'leak,' so to speak. If him or Schwartz messes up, the other one could be left vulnerable b/c of it, so it could be both of them equally. All I do know is that that was the side where we couldn't establish the edge AT ALL. Either the defensive player shot through the guard/tackle hole or outside the tackle.

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After the game, Kalil admitted there were communication problems on the offensive line. Not sure how a group of guys who have been practicing and playing together for this amount of time can have a communication breakdown, but it happened.

Take it from someone who played offensive line at the collegiate level, when communicate breaks down things get ugly, no matter how good the individual talent is on the line.

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