craziness

[bigjohn]

I think it's interesting that some people are so aggressively passionate about the "uninspired, run it up the middle all the time" play calling.

I think one of our problems is we aren't running it enough. Up the middle, off tackle, throw in a toss sweep there once in a while....and yes, sometimes a punt is a good play. We lost the field position game Sunday, and that's with a good punter, mainly due to turnovers (gotta love the fumbles adding to the misery).

Our defense hasn't been terrible-- good enough to win if our offense was just below average instead of terrible. We've given up some scores late due to fatigue because the defense was on the field so long. Running the ball will help that.

And I keep saying, when they throw 8 in the box eventually DWill is going to break through and get a 30 yarder. He broke a couple long ones yesterday with only 10 carries.

He's gotta get 20 touches a game, minimum.

Fox is normally pretty good at rallying the troops, and it wouldn't surprise me that much to see us hang in there with the 'taints this weekend.

If we get Otah back, Clausen feeling a bit more comfy behind center, Gettis starts to feel it a bit more, get DWill some touches.... not saying it's gonna happen, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[Chaos]

I hear ya, but to play devil's advocate - when the ball is run over and over, and the defense is stuffing it, fans are begging for a pass play. If you saw one series with three straight runs, not gaining 10 yards and punting on fourth down, I don't think it would be that uplifting. We need to mix run and pass and hope something starts to work.

Plus, our QB/C and QB/RB exchanges have got to improve before we can focus on an advanced running game. Goodson practically punted the ball into Cincy's secondary yesterday on his fumble.

[bigjohn]

Understood that...I think my biggest thing is people wanting fleaflickers and triple reverses and such.

And DWill only getting 10 touches.

[Peppers90 NC]

People on here don't know what they want. kinda like a bunch of bitches.

[Cat'sGrowl]

Running the ball is very important.

Being able to throw it when the run isn't working is as equally important.

[Zaximus]

I don't mind running, at all, but we need better RUN plays. More outside runs, stretches, toss, etc, I haven't seen that at all. So the team KNOWS we're running already but now they also know it's up the middle, we make it so easy for teams. Then, the downs we run on are predictable. Maybe pass on 1st down every now and then? Pass on 3rd and short here and there?

The run is important and I don't mind running more than passing, when the run plays are at least a bit diverse and a few changes here and there.

[Jrock3016]

What works is play-action, draws, reverses. Not looking for flea flickers or toss passes just plays that will play with the defense minds. Even run up the middle with extra action like a fake reverse. Anything to get the defense thinking.

[DaveThePanther2008]

To run you have to be able to pass and to pass you have to be able to run. Until we get a balance in our offensive game. We will continue to see 8-9 in the box.

Davidson is half our problem. The game planning is terrible and the imagination is worse.

Go Panthers

[g5jamz]

More play-action.

More screens to RBs not named Goodson. Are we the only ones that can key off a potential screen pass if Goodson is in the HB position?

Hitch passes

Everyone knew that Fox was going to have a vastly reduced playbook for Clausen to work with against Cincinnati. Everyone. So you're talking run plays and maybe some slant routes. The one series where Clausen did move the ball down the field and we scored, it involved a lot of big plays and good decision making. I'd love to know who put that series together.

[The Pieyed Piper]

With this O-Line you don't have time for pass action, flea flickers or fake smoke. To me the biggest play that will open up the run will be a pass play on 1st down. Until they can do that on a regular basis, the run will never open up...up the middle or outside.

[g5jamz]

No flea-flickers...we can't get the snap down at times much less that.

Exploit more pass rush with screens is what needs to happen. 1st down even.

[err456]

poor o-line play = poor qb play

poor o-line play and poor qb play = 0-3 start

need to fix o-line, qb play will improve, offense will stay on field more,

defense will play better and Panthers will win some games.

Simple as that!

[bleys]

Understood that...I think my biggest thing is people wanting fleaflickers and triple reverses and such.

And DWill only getting 10 touches.

yeah, no one should be saying fleaflickers and triple reverses.. or even our lame version of the wildcat..

people are referring to smarter play calls... other than run, run, pass on 3rd and long..

you can't have 8 or 9 in the box and say "we should run it more".. there is a reason there are 8 in the box. (some of that has to do with predictable play calls)

[bigjohn]

Actually we've thrown on first down several times, and I do agree we need to do that some. However, when you throw an incompletion on first down, it pretty much puts you in "must pass" mode for 2nd and 3rd....leading to 3 and outs, defense on the field longer, blah blah blah.

Plus I still say you can run against 8 in the box, but that pretty much has to be a power run. But once you split the seam, there's a lot of room with only 3 guys covering.