Could Harbaugh fix Clausen?

[panther4life]

Why would he even try? If Harbaugh leaves, then Luck leaves. If Luck is there then why wouldn't Harbaugh take a guy that he already knows everything about? Wouldn't that make a hell of a lot more sense then trying to fix Clausen?

Of course it would but we are not guranteed the first pick right now. Maybe the team who gets the first pick doesent covet Harbaugh, or Harbaugh doesent want to go them. Theres plenty of plausible scenraios where they could be split up after this year.

[CatMan72]

Maybe, but if Harbaugh comes here I doubt he'll be willing to bet his NFL coaching career on Jimmy and if Harbaugh comes here and we have the # 1 pick I'm assuming Luck will declare and we will draft him, so Jimmy will become an afterthought.

[unicar15]

Of course it would but we are not guranteed the first pick right now. Maybe the team who gets the first pick doesent covet Harbaugh, or Harbaugh doesent want to go them. Theres plenty of plausible scenraios where they could be split up after this year.

So you think that we are going to beat Pittsburgh coming off a loss and then go into the ATL dome where Matt Ryan has only lost 1 game and win? Give me some of what you are smoking...

There will literally be a revolt against JR and the FO if we have the #1 pick and pass on Andrew Luck. The guy is a no-brainer pick and Clause is TERRRRIIIBBLLEEE. If there is anyone in that FO that would rather keep Clausen and draft anyone other than Andrew Luck, they should be fired immediately.

[panther4life]

So you think that we are going to beat Pittsburgh coming off a loss and then go into the ATL dome where Matt Ryan has only lost 1 game and win? Give me some of what you are smoking...

There will literally be a revolt against JR and the FO if we have the #1 pick and pass on Andrew Luck. The guy is a no-brainer pick and Clause is TERRRRIIIBBLLEEE. If there is anyone in that FO that would rather keep Clausen and draft anyone other than Andrew Luck, they should be fired immediately.

Ok Genius, i'm gonna try go easy on you here.

A. we only have to win more game to jeopoardize our shout at the # 1 pick.

B. If Atlanta wins against the saints theres a good chance Ryan wont even start since their likely to rest all of their starters.

C.I proposed this scenario in the sense that we dont get the # 1 pick

I don't expect you to automatically know this info off the top of your head.

But dont go talking outta your ass and claim i'm the one smoking somthing.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

So what would you call what kurt warner did?

Kurt Warner was never a problem? He never had to tweak anything. He just needed a chance. He started one game in 1998 and was then went to NFL Europe when he got back he was a starting quarterback until he retired. On top of that he was not a player that someone drafted in the first or second round, he was an UDFA claimed by the Packers. I don't really know where your going with this and I am pretty sure you don't either.

Also as far as being a Superior athlete he excelled in College, he excelled in the AFL, he excelled in the NFLE, and he excelled in the NFL...so I am unsure of your point.

[Fiz]

so imagine from the center of the field where a QB is under center there is a giant U shape that extends to the sidelines then goes up to the end zone.

Now imagine that's the only place a QB throws the ball because of how safe it is.

Throwing check downs is safe because obviously no one is going to be in a zone past the line of scrimmage.

Throwing to the sidelines is safe because no one is going to be coming from the other side of a receiver to pick it off,and if you throw it hard enough the worst thing that can happen is the ball going incomplete. Maybe the wide receiver will make an incredible play.

Also you don't throw 10 yard out routes because that's a very difficult throw. Just long bombs down the sideline.

Throwing into the middle of this U is incredibly dangerous. This is where defensive schemes are made and lost. This is where the confusing zone coverages are, where safeties drop down, where linebackers go man/zone, etc.

what im saying is that everything thrown in the U shape is a high school throw. These are what qbs in 11th grade throw. They're easy, safe, and don't take a lot of understanding to pull off.

Everything thrown inside the middle is an nfl throw, and jimmy didn't make a single one of those yesterday lol just lol

[Fiz]

Kurt Warner was never a problem? He never had to tweak anything. He just needed a chance. He started one game in 1998 and was then went to NFL Europe when he got back he was a starting quarterback until he retired. On top of that he was not a player that someone drafted in the first or second round, he was an UDFA claimed by the Packers. I don't really know where your going with this and I am pretty sure you don't either.

scpanther2 is incomprehensible and best left on ignore

[scpanther22]

scpanther2 is incomprehensible and best left on ignore

Good thing..I am not scpanther2

[scpanther22]

Kurt Warner was never a problem? He never had to tweak anything. He just needed a chance. He started one game in 1998 and was then went to NFL Europe when he got back he was a starting quarterback until he retired. On top of that he was not a player that someone drafted in the first or second round, he was an UDFA claimed by the Packers. I don't really know where your going with this and I am pretty sure you don't either.

Also as far as being a Superior athlete he excelled in College, he excelled in the AFL, he excelled in the NFLE, and he excelled in the NFL...so I am unsure of your point.

I never said he was a problem the Kurt warner comment had to with you saying

You can't fix people, I don't understand why everyone is always talking about fixing players.

I remember Warner saying a couple of things had to be fixed in the way he played the game

[panther4life]

so imagine from the center of the field where a QB is under center there is a giant U shape that extends to the sidelines then goes up to the end zone.

Now imagine that's the only place a QB throws the ball because of how safe it is.

Throwing check downs is safe because obviously no one is going to be in a zone past the line of scrimmage.

Throwing to the sidelines is safe because no one is going to be coming from the other side of a receiver to pick it off,and if you throw it hard enough the worst thing that can happen is the ball going incomplete. Maybe the wide receiver will make an incredible play.

Also you don't throw 10 yard out routes because that's a very difficult throw. Just long bombs down the sideline.

Throwing into the middle of this U is incredibly dangerous. This is where defensive schemes are made and lost. This is where the confusing zone coverages are, where safeties drop down, where linebackers go man/zone, etc.

what im saying is that everything thrown in the U shape is a high school throw. These are what qbs in 11th grade throw. They're easy, safe, and don't take a lot of understanding to pull off.

Everything thrown inside the middle is an nfl throw, and jimmy didn't make a single one of those yesterday lol just lol

Is he physically uncapable of making all of the nfl throws or just unwilling to for whatever reason? I personally think he has the physical tools to do so but needs the right coaching/playbook do take advantage of these tools. I'm not saying its a fail safe plan or even something likely. Hence the reason I posed the question to everyone on this board so I could see their point of view/opinion on the matter

[thunderraiden]

You guys are fuging morons just like the guys in San Diego when Drew Brees had his rookie season, and Brett Farve had his, and Aikman had his, and Payton Manning had his. The list goes on.

[Fiz]

Is he physically uncapable of making all of the nfl throws or just unwilling to for whatever reason?

okay well after all I just said there let me change one thing: the most important nfl throw is the 10-15 yard out.

this is called a zone buster throw, and it's really the only reason matt ryan was drafted. He can make this throw as well as anyone. Tom Brady is great at it as well.

now the 10 yard out is a little misleading, because obviously the qb is going to be throwing it about 25 yards. depending on the coverage, he might have to throw this over a corner playing close to the line in a tampa 2 style, and if he floats it the safety/corner on top can jump the poo out of it.

not only do you have to have the balls to throw it, you gotta be able to hum it in there, with perfect timing (ideally as the wide receiver is turning) and with variable height for when you need to stick it or loft it.

with defenses the way they are now it's the hardest throw to make and i don't think clausen can physically make it. I've actually not seen him throw it all year. He tried that five yard out in seattle and had it picked off by a fuging linebacker.

you can fix how far you throw it: that's mostly just footwork and how you align your back and what not. But speed on the throws? Eh. I mean Chad Pennington never put any velocity on his throws and that was before he tore his shoulder to pieces. Clausen won't either. Add in his terrible release and wonky motion, eesh

[rayzor]

You guys are f**king morons just like the guys in San Diego when Drew Brees had his rookie season, and Brett Farve had his, and Aikman had his, and Payton Manning had his. The list goes on.

the only moronic thinking is that clausen compares to any of those guys.

[Fiz]

You guys are f**king morons just like the guys in San Diego when Drew Brees had his rookie season, and Brett Farve had his, and Aikman had his, and Payton Manning had his. The list goes on.

for every future hall of fame QB that had a bad rookie season, there's every single other terrible -> mediocre qb that had a bad one too and guess which one there's more of?

This is a really stupid argument and I wish people would stop bringing it up.