Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Steelers pick trades

theinstrumental
 Share

Recommended Posts

theinstrumental Community Regular

theinstrumental

Posted
Posted

To put the question simply: Would you be happy with a Steelers trade that doesn't bring back their first-round pick next year?

A potential trade between us and Pittsburgh is interesting because depending on which draft value chart you use, Pittsburgh has two totally natural trades available to them, but they're very different. The Jimmy Johnson chart says the difference between us at 8 and them at 21 is 600 points, or almost exactly the value of the last pick in the 1st round. That falls in line with how teams tend to discount future picks. 8 for 21 and next year's Pitt 1st is almost exactly equal.

More modern charts (Chase Stuart, Fitz) are much flatter, and 8 for 21 and 83, Pittsburgh's next pick this year, are basically equal. 

Now, the second one obviously won't actually happen--the Lions had to include pick 73 just to move from 29 to 24 last year, and Pittsburgh would clearly be making a much bigger jump. But given the flatness of this draft and the lack of blue-chip players at the top, would you accept some mix of 21, 83, and next year's non-first-rounders from Pittsburgh, or would you want Dan Morgan barred from every touching the draft again for accepting anything less than next year's first?

  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
kungfoodude Grand Master

kungfoodude

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, theinstrumental said:

To put the question simply: Would you be happy with a Steelers trade that doesn't bring back their first-round pick next year?

A potential trade between us and Pittsburgh is interesting because depending on which draft value chart you use, Pittsburgh has two totally natural trades available to them, but they're very different. The Jimmy Johnson chart says the difference between us at 8 and them at 21 is 600 points, or almost exactly the value of the last pick in the 1st round. That falls in line with how teams tend to discount future picks. 8 for 21 and next year's Pitt 1st is almost exactly equal.

More modern charts (Chase Stuart, Fitz) are much flatter, and 8 for 21 and 83, Pittsburgh's next pick this year, are basically equal. 

Now, the second one obviously won't actually happen--the Lions had to include pick 73 just to move from 29 to 24 last year, and Pittsburgh would clearly be making a much bigger jump. But given the flatness of this draft and the lack of blue-chip players at the top, would you accept some mix of 21, 83, and next year's non-first-rounders from Pittsburgh, or would you want Dan Morgan barred from every touching the draft again for accepting anything less than next year's first?

They are lacking a 2nd round pick for 2025 due to the Metcalf trade so I would assume the minimum to even be in any discussion would have to involve their 2026 1st.

Which, TBH, they would be foolish to trade away. 

  • Pie 5
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Lurk21 Mentor

Lurk21

Posted
Posted
20 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

They are lacking a 2nd round pick for 2025 due to the Metcalf trade so I would assume the minimum to even be in any discussion would have to involve their 2026 1st.

Which, TBH, they would be foolish to trade away. 

Yeah it would be foolish but they are starting to get worn out on Tomlin... the Rodgers stuff has got ridiculous... if they have a shot at a qb... they are in win now mode. You don't trade for Metcalf and have Rudolph only at qb

  • Pie 1
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Lurk21 Mentor

Lurk21

Posted
Posted
4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, I don't see how it'd be worth it only involving this year's picks. Not very familiar with the Steelers roster but I guess its possible a player could be involved in a potential trade.

They have hinted Watts and Pickens kn the block but who knows. If watts was included... idk 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
jb2288 Grand Master

jb2288

Posted
Posted

I’d prefer not to trade with the Steelers even for next year 1st. They are a perennial playoff team no matter what so you’re looking at a lower pick. Indy or Dallas is my dream even if you only get an extra 2nd back. 

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Waldo Grand Master

Waldo

Posted
Posted

I'm more interested in an additional 2nd this year but with none it would have to be a first next year. Not a good move for them but I would take that trade this year on the Panthers end.

If they were going to put Tomlin in a position to have to do a trade like that in a QB class like this they should have just fored him and let a new coach take a mulligan of a 1st year and swing for QBs hard next yyear. Already getting involved in the Rogers mess after his last stint shows how desperate and stupid they have already reached there so none of this would be surprising even if it's all dumb.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
kungfoodude Grand Master

kungfoodude

Posted
Posted
2 hours ago, Lurk21 said:

Yeah it would be foolish but they are starting to get worn out on Tomlin... the Rodgers stuff has got ridiculous... if they have a shot at a qb... they are in win now mode. You don't trade for Metcalf and have Rudolph only at qb

I haven't seen much in the way of panic moves from them. They are a smart and well run organization, so it often looks alien to us.

  • Beer 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
kungfoodude Grand Master

kungfoodude

Posted
Posted
2 hours ago, jb2288 said:

I’d prefer not to trade with the Steelers even for next year 1st. They are a perennial playoff team no matter what so you’re looking at a lower pick. Indy or Dallas is my dream even if you only get an extra 2nd back. 

Plus they are likely to win the trade very decisively.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
LinvilleGorge Grand Master

LinvilleGorge

Posted
Posted
2 hours ago, Lurk21 said:

They have hinted Watts and Pickens kn the block but who knows. If watts was included... idk 

If Watts is available that's a huge red flag. That would probably scream that he's washed. He's coming off of the fewest sacks of his career since his rookie season aside from his one injury shortened season and he's on the wrong side of 30 now. These are the types of guys good organizations grade cashing in on the name value. It's confusing to Panthers fans because these are the types of guys the Panthers have historically backed up the Brinks truck to give career achievement contracts vs. "what do we expect moving forward" contracts.

  • Pie 1
  • Beer 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Lurk21 Mentor

Lurk21

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If Watts is available that's a huge red flag. That would probably scream that he's washed. He's coming off of the fewest sacks of his career since his rookie season aside from his one injury shortened season and he's on the wrong side of 30 now. These are the types of guys good organizations grade cashing in on the name value. It's confusing to Panthers fans because these are the types of guys the Panthers have historically backed up the Brinks truck to give career achievement contracts vs. "what do we expect moving forward" contracts.

I get that logic but I heard it was bc of uncertainty  at qb and etc. Yet, he is 30... so probably  a 3 year window left. They just drafted olb last year I think. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
frankw Grand Master

frankw

Posted
Posted
22 minutes ago, Murph said:

FWIW, rumors are circulating that Denver is actively looking to trade up for an offensive playmaker to help Bo Nix. #20 & #51 for #8 works out pretty well. 

Dropping 12 spots and only netting an extra mid 2nd that we'll probably draft yet another bust with.

Sarcastic Tim And Eric GIF

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Seltzer
      PFF ranks the 2025 starting QBs

      By Seltzer · Posted

      I personally think you are trying to talk yourself into circles here... It's ok to say Bryce played incredible the last 5 weeks... I know there are plenty of people on this board who desperately need the doom-and-gloom narrative, but I genuinely question how much NFL QB play some of these people really have watched when they still question him being the unquestioned starter for next year...  Again, that being said, no one is crowning him at all. I think Bryce is one of the best stories going into 2025 bc his season last year was so outlandishly unprecedented. It's totally fair to personally not believe in Bryce. Plenty of sports "journalists" need to write stories, and that's an easy narrative path... But I think that actual people in the know rank Bryce much higher. That's the fun thing about sports... we shall see!
    • Seltzer
      PFF ranks the 2025 starting QBs

      By Seltzer · Posted

      Regardless of how we got here, any rational fan should be excited by how well Bryce played down the stretch. Anyone not happy about that level of play either doesn't know what they're looking at, or they're still trying to drive tired narratives. Obviously, Cam had an all-time rookie season, and I'm not putting the two in the same basket yet, but as someone who has watched every snap of Panthers football since the start of the new millennium (Im old), Bryce was playing at a higher level at the end of 2024 than Cam was at the end of 2012 (his 2nd season). Cam continued to develop into MVP form, something Bryce has to prove, but as someone who watched both (and will stan for Cam always), Bryce was playing at a higher level to end year 2 than Cam did.  Go watch the film if you dont believe me. None of that means anything for the future. But the people who said BY9 couldnt play in this league are wrong.   That being said, the only thing that matters is this year. #20 is perfectly fair IMO going into the season. I mean think about it, how would you rank him??!  His in-season turnaround is one of the wildest things I've ever seen... how do you rank a guy who looked like a massive bust in September and by January was consistently playing at a top 10 level? My excitement level is pretty damn high heading into this season. There were throws from the Chiefs game onward where Bryce had Drew Brees levels of anticipation. Im excited to see what he can do with a full deck on offense, something we really never gave Cam. Really hope and expect Bryce to move up this list this season.  
    • tukafan21
      PFF ranks the 2025 starting QBs

      By tukafan21 · Posted

      Not really, the only QB's (other than Anthony Richardson) ranked below him are new to their teams as a placeholder starter or drafted in 2024 or 2025, not a lot of gymnastics to get there. It's not about how many that is, if it's 20, 12, or 2... It means there isn't a QB who's team has committed to them for the long term right now that they have ranked below Bryce. That's not a great thing.
×
×
  • Create New...