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REPORT: per Albert Breer, Panthers have been most aggressive team in attempting to trade back


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24 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

I get not liking the players but the trades were fine.  This idea that other GMs take advantage of Morgan is unwarranted 

Yeah I can see you're take.  I don't object to the value scale.  

There was some article I remember (out there, somewhere) about how we gained the most value per the trade charts of any team from last year's draft moves.  It was mainly because of the Fiske trade, but still, there was nothing egregious.  We've just been very obvious with a lot of stuff/moves.  Doesn't make them all necessarily bad.  

Oh and fans love to point and say how stupid their FOs are.   

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23 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

That's too much. They can give us their second and call it even.  I'm not giving them our second because they would win this trade by a lot. No they give is their second and we give them their 4th back and then we are even.

The one he proposed is +70 in DAL's favor on value charts (a 4th round value), but given our position (per now Breer, McShay, and more) about giving a team a slight deal), that plus a late-2026 is probably getting it done for us. 

And before you say it, yes, I get that you personally won't do it, but I would caution those exceptions.  

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Just now, Bear Hands said:

The one he proposed is +70 in DAL's favor on value charts (a 4th round value), but given our position (per now Breer, McShay, and more) about giving a team a slight deal), that plus a late-2026 is probably getting it done for us. 

And before you say it, yes, I get that you personally won't do it, but I would caution those exceptions.  

I understand his position but I would use lower round picks to sweeten the deal and keep the 2nd round pick. The chart may say the value is the same but in this draft it's not. The day 2 picks are more important from a talent value perspective. 

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6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I understand his position but I would use lower round picks to sweeten the deal and keep the 2nd round pick. The chart may say the value is the same but in this draft it's not. The day 2 picks are more important from a talent value perspective. 

I have a feeling they are going to package 57 to move up in the second anyway that's why I mentioned the swap

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31 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

I get not liking the players but the trades were fine.  This idea that other GMs take advantage of Morgan is unwarranted 

There’s reports that the Panthers are potentially willing to take less than market value on a trade back which is unacceptable. That’s why I’m saying I could see Morgan getting fleeced. Everyone knows the Panthers are desperate to trade back which puts us in a low leverage situation.. Add in the selections he made last year with his trades, I’d like to see Morgan stay put and not get cute. Trading back has rarely worked for this franchise anyways. 

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Just now, flagfootballcoach28 said:

There’s reports that the Panthers are potentially willing to take less than market value on a trade back which is unacceptable. That’s why I’m saying I could see Morgan getting fleeced. Everyone knows the Panthers are desperate to trade back which puts us in a low leverage situation.. Add in the selections he made last year with his trades, I’d like to see Morgan stay put and not get cute. Trading back has rarely worked for this franchise anyways. 

Less than marketable is not getting fleeced, especially in this draft

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3 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

I have a feeling they are going to package 57 to move up in the second anyway that's why I mentioned the swap

Giving up pick 57 would be too rich for me as it stands right now. There's just too many players on day 2 that can improve this team. But things might happen on day 1 that could change my mind. 

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2 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Okay

Taking less than market value is the definition of getting fleeced. Just because it’s a “weaker draft” in some people’s eyes doesn’t mean it’s acceptable to not get full value for your pick. Frankly, there’s a lot of players I like who are projected to be at #8 , but not later on if we trade out.  The 2025 Draft could be full of studs in 3 years. Why accept less than market value when no one truly knows how these players will turn out? Market value is market value. Idc what year it is. 

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3 minutes ago, flagfootballcoach28 said:

Taking less than market value is the definition of getting fleeced. Just because it’s a “weaker draft” in some people’s eyes doesn’t mean it’s acceptable to not get full value for your pick. Frankly, there’s a lot of players I like who are projected to be at #8 , but not later on if we trade out.  The 2025 Draft could be full of studs in 3 years. Why accept less than market value when no one truly knows how these players will turn out? Market value is market value. Idc what year it is. 

Someone always loses the deal

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