REPORT: per Albert Breer, Panthers have been most aggressive team in attempting to trade back

[Waldo]

10 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

We’ve been teary eyed for a loooong time.  If we honestly think our staff can’t evaluate talent then who cares if we trade down? More odds to simply get lucky right? Even a pessimistic view agrees with this….

Because 2 wrongs don't make a right?

We can all hope for corrections everywhere and if this crew can't do better than last year then let's start talking about the new crew. That's being a Panthers fan post 2015.

[ForJimmy]

40 minutes ago, frankw said:

On the surface most people are going to agree that more picks are a good thing. The problem is so far our FO has been unable to resist trying to speed up the timeline in situations like this and tries to fix everything they can in one draft instead of just taking the best talent that falls to them. There's a high probability this will happen again. Maybe they'll finally get lucky. But I'm not going to hold my breath on it.

I understand that but I’m just saying this draft is pretty bad all around. Pick 8 isn’t much better than a later 1st unless one of the very few blue chippers fall. You have to assume they make decent picks to some degree, if not then there is no need to worry about any of it. If we are that bad at drafting we can easily screw up pick 8 as bad as pick 15 plus an additional 2nd. 

[ForJimmy]

41 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Because 2 wrongs don't make a right?

We can all hope for corrections everywhere and if this crew can't do better than last year then let's start talking about the new crew. That's being a Panthers fan post 2015.

One pick is easier to miss than 2 or 3 is the thought process there. Yeah you have to assume they will figure it out and if they can’t there is no need to worry about moving up down or staying in place. We would just need to worry about who would replace them. 

[CRA]

16 hours ago, Waldo said:

It's not desperation to see the reality of the situation and take a discount. Again, a 3rd would be fine but a 2nd would be best. I'd also be fine with their 3rd and flipping 2nds if they have an earlier 2nd.

it's the Panthers.  So Morgan probably would trade back for a conditional 8th round pick.  Then they would trade back up after seeing all the players they want get drafted and give up 2 first, a rolex, and a weekend on Tepper's yacht. 

[LinvilleGorge]

 

 

10 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I understand that but I’m just saying this draft is pretty bad all around. Pick 8 isn’t much better than a later 1st unless one of the very few blue chippers fall. You have to assume they make decent picks to some degree, if not then there is no need to worry about any of it. If we are that bad at drafting we can easily screw up pick 8 as bad as pick 15 plus an additional 2nd. 

This is the widely believed narrative but it'll most likely prove incorrect. There will probably be some great players drafted between #8 and the late 1st. A lot of the guys who are currently being talked about as being "in the same tier" will prove not to be. Then, like always, there will be great players picked in the mid-rounds who were overlooked in large part probably due to group think.

If I was running an NFL draft I would be telling my scouts and decision makers to ignore media draft talk. I don't mean just don't pay attention to it, I mean actively and consciously avoid it.

[Waldo]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

it's the Panthers.  So Morgan probably would trade back for a conditional 8th round pick.  Then they would trade back up after seeing all the players they want get drafted and give up 2 first, a rolex, and a weekend on Tepper's yacht. 

Well then we get a new GM. Maybe next time they won't hire with in a dysfunctional house...

[Shotgun]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

We’ve been teary eyed for a loooong time.  If we honestly think our staff can’t evaluate talent then who cares if we trade down? More odds to simply get lucky right? Even a pessimistic view agrees with this….

Think?

[CRA]

13 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

One pick is easier to miss than 2 or 3 is the thought process there. Yeah you have to assume they will figure it out and if they can’t there is no need to worry about moving up down or staying in place. We would just need to worry about who would replace them. 

I think it's easier to miss on pick #23 than on pick #8 pending you play the Marty Hurney logic at the top of a draft and just take the surest thing. 

[Waldo]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

 

 

This is the widely believed narrative but it'll most likely prove incorrect. There will probably be some great players drafted between #8 and the late 1st. A lot of the guys who are currently being talked about as being "in the same tier" will prove not to be. Then, like always, there will be great players picked in the mid-rounds who were overlooked in large part probably due to group think.

If I was running an NFL draft I would be telling my scouts and decision makers to ignore media draft talk. I don't mean just don't pay attention to it, I mean actively and consciously avoid it.

I just don't think the quality players will come at the top this year. I think the middle 1st to 2nd could come out in the inevitable re-mock in a few years. All of the prospects I actually see value in are not expected to be top 10 picks this year. The present bias keeps people from deviating or being a poster child for messing up projections.

The fact that almost half the teams use the media blather to justify their drafts explains a lot of why there is so much failure in NFL drafts.

[TheSpecialJuan]

https://x.com/panthersontap/status/1915392704344629341?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA
 

Jonathan Jones 

[LinvilleGorge]

17 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I just don't think the quality players will come at the top this year. I think the middle 1st to 2nd could come out in the inevitable re-mock in a few years. All of the prospects I actually see value in are not expected to be top 10 picks this year. The present bias keeps people from deviating or being a poster child for messing up projections.

The fact that almost half the teams use the media blather to justify their drafts explains a lot of why there is so much failure in NFL drafts.

That's part of the reason why I'd be having my scouts and decision makers actively avoiding media narratives and talking points. Ignore the group think BS. We're going to put in the work and make our own evaluations as unadulterated by the BS as we can manage and sink or swim on that.

[Waldo]

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's part of the reason why I'd be having my scouts and decision makers actively avoiding media narratives and talking points. Ignore the group think BS. We're going to put in the work and make our own evaluations as unadulterated by the BS as we can manage and sink or swim on that.

Put one intern in a room off site to keep up on 'rumors' and trends then bring him in at draft time to sit across from the scouts to say what other teams might do. That dynamic is it's value

[TheSpecialJuan]

https://x.com/joshkleinrules/status/1915398535001809130?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

[ForJimmy]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

 

 

This is the widely believed narrative but it'll most likely prove incorrect. There will probably be some great players drafted between #8 and the late 1st. A lot of the guys who are currently being talked about as being "in the same tier" will prove not to be. Then, like always, there will be great players picked in the mid-rounds who were overlooked in large part probably due to group think.

If I was running an NFL draft I would be telling my scouts and decision makers to ignore media draft talk. I don't mean just don't pay attention to it, I mean actively and consciously avoid it.

There are always going to be some great players even in the middle rounds that teams missed or looked over. I don’t think that changes much. Sometimes the right players land in the right spots and make other teams look dumb.