An honest look at Bryce Young

[CRA]

Just now, Jaxel said:

The good news is, if all things go as you expect this year there should be a ton of good options at the draft next year. So there is that.

I expect Bryce to probably regress a little the first half of the year vs where he left off and then improve some (he is young, I consider last year his rookie year in large part, and folks will study that film hard).  I think he will be a serviceable starter.   Low end of the middle of the pack.  So like 20ish range in terms of starters. 

[CRA]

8 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I simply say compare him against his peers based on facts and stats not your observations and opinions.  

well, if you compare him vs his peers based on facts and stats......that would favor my side of things vs yours.   Would it not? 

because again, even when you uniquely cherry pick Bryce down to only games folks want to acknowledge (which means ruling out most of his NFL career).......where does that leave him? 

 

 

[Pejorative Miscreant]

My take is that Bryce was terrible coming in but improved at the end of last season which did make me excited about watching this team again. If he continues to improve and look better (I hope he does) then we’re not in the market for a QB. If he regresses or doesn’t show signs of being anything more than a mid to low end starter we are probably looking for a QB next April. 
 

Excited to see what he can do and hope he can build on last seasons momentum. 

[Icege]

19 minutes ago, CRA said:

well, if you compare him vs his peers based on facts and stats......that would favor my side of things vs yours.   Would it not? 

because again, even when you uniquely cherry pick Bryce down to only games folks want to acknowledge (which means ruling out most of his NFL career).......where does that leave him? 

Speaking of based on facts and stats...

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[panthers55]

Just now, CRA said:

well, if you compare him vs his peers based on facts and stats......that would favor my side of things vs yours.   Would it not? 

 because again, even when you uniquely cherry pick Bryce down to only games folks want to acknowledge (which means ruling out most of this NFL career).......where does that leave him? 

Actually,  what lines up with your ideas he is too short or small to be successful.? His passing completions or total yards?

Bryce is going into his 13th game with a legitimate offense and good offensive coach. And during that time he went from the worst qb in the league to top 10 by the end of the year based on game production against a number of playoff teams.  And he showed that he can lead comebacks and score under pressure at the end of the game and overtime. He stayed cool under pressure and was one of the best against the blitz by year end. That is the holy grail in quarterback traits and Bryce went from crumbling under pressure to stepping up and delivering strikes down the field. Maybe it is me but those kind of qualities far out weigh a few inches or a few pounds here and there.  Everyone holds their breath when he get whacked by a 350lb linemen and exhales when he magically arises seemingly unfazed. And yeah when he is backpedalling and tosses one out there as if it is random only to float into Thielen's hand it seems just luck. Kind of like Russell Wilson years ago. But I think you are letting your past rob you of enjoying what I hope is happening which is the development of our franchise guy. And for the record I am all about bringing in competition  at all positions including quarterback.

[mrcompletely11]

53 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Again where is the evidence. You keep saying it but honestly you have shown no evidence. Unless you know what he was supposed to do and then what he did do, you don't know anything about his intentions and or forced changes due to height. His completion percentage for passes from 1 to 10 yards was only slightly lower than his best percentage which was 10 to 20 yards passing.  Not enough of a difference to be significantly different. 

Truth is you have an agenda that you try to justify despite any evidence to the contrary. Many of us felt the same way but have allowed his actual play to inform our opinion. I still would have picked Stroud over Bryce but I am willing to keep an open mind and see what is there instead of filtering everything through my biases and already polarized opinions.

the evidence is his mechanics

[mrcompletely11]

5 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Actually,  what lines up with your ideas he is too short or small to be successful.? His passing completions or total yards?

Bryce is going into his 13th game with a legitimate offense and good offensive coach. And during that time he went from the worst qb in the league to top 10 by the end of the year based on game production against a number of playoff teams. .

Bryce averaged 208 yards per game with a 61% completion since coming back.  How is that top 10?

[CRA]

11 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Actually,  what lines up with your ideas he is too short or small to be successful.? His passing completions or total yards?

Bryce is going into his 13th game with a legitimate offense and good offensive coach. And during that time he went from the worst qb in the league to top 10 by the end of the year based on game production against a number of playoff teams.  And he showed that he can lead comebacks and score under pressure at the end of the game and overtime. He stayed cool under pressure and was one of the best against the blitz by year end. That is the holy grail in quarterback traits and Bryce went from crumbling under pressure to stepping up and delivering strikes down the field. Maybe it is me but those kind of qualities far out weigh a few inches or a few pounds here and there.  Everyone holds their breath when he get whacked by a 350lb linemen and exhales when he magically arises seemingly unfazed. And yeah when he is backpedalling and tosses one out there as if it is random only to float into Thielen's hand it seems just luck. Kind of like Russell Wilson years ago. But I think you are letting your past rob you of enjoying what I hope is happening which is the development of our franchise guy. And for the record I am all about bringing in competition  at all positions including quarterback.

I'd love to see the cherry pick that has Bryce Young as a top 10 QB.  But I mean, if you are going to cherry pick it down to 3 games......then he isn't going to compare to the others if you were to afford them the same cherry pick logic.  His best vs their best is still going to be.....miles apart. 

but that's the Bryce Young game at this point.  And if you got to erase 85% of someone's play to make the argument.......that's not a good argument. 

 I don't see the real gripe to be honest.  I just think he has a low ceiling.  I'm not advocating to bench him, get rid of him, or anything.  In fact, I said, I think he can be a serviceable starter.  He just doesn't have the tools IMO nor has shown enough to IMO to believe he can be much more than that at this level.  Therefore, he isn't a big picture solution. 

[Navy_football]

21 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

the evidence is his mechanics

Honestly, I wouldn't care if he Pele kicked the ball to the receiver. As long as he makes the play. 

[Navy_football]

37 minutes ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

My take is that Bryce was terrible coming in but improved at the end of last season which did make me excited about watching this team again. If he continues to improve and look better (I hope he does) then we’re not in the market for a QB. If he regresses or doesn’t show signs of being anything more than a mid to low end starter we are probably looking for a QB next April. 
 

Excited to see what he can do and hope he can build on last seasons momentum. 

If he just stays the same, he'll be good enough to win a lot of games, with an average defense and an improved cast of skilled players around him. And let's be honest. This team was at the bottom of the barrel in that department the last 2 seasons. Hopefully, they've inserted a little more juice this off season. No knock on Adam Thielen, but if he's your number one option at this stage in his career, something is very wrong. 

[Navy_football]

Here you go. 2 yards.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Navy_football said:

Here you go. 2 yards.

 

that's the element of surprise for you.  A good playcall.  GB clearly not playing such a call in any fashion.