Princely defends Icky while streaming

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18 hours ago, Youngs Ten Yard Bombs said:

Glad he’s winning before pads are on but well it’s not exactly like Ickey is known for his pass blocking skills lol

 

Ekwonu is not exactly dog sh¡t, and is actually in the top half at his position in pass pro, but he's close to middle of the pack. This gives a little more clarity.

In my opinion, Icky is a sidenote, the bigger takeaway is that Princely basically says he's not gonna be stopped by anybody.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Ekwonu is not exactly dog sh¡t, and is actually in the top half at his position in pass pro, but he's close to middle of the pack. This gives a little more clarity.

In my opinion, Icky is a sidenote, the bigger takeaway is that Princely basically says he's not gonna be stopped by anybody.

LLM snippets are not clarity.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

23 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

LLM snippets are not clarity.

If the google says it’s true, it’s true. 

[Icege]

41 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

LLM snippets are not clarity.

Which stats were wrong?

[ForJimmy]

Icky is a great run blocker and solid pass blocker. Keep in mind he is only 24 and has been through Rhule, Wilks, Reich, Tabor, and now Canales. He finally gets a second year of the same offense which is good for someone considered pretty raw in pass blocking coming out of college.

I love the fire from Princely! Keep it coming and I hope it’s contagious! 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, Icege said:

Which stats were wrong?

PFF grades aren't stats.

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3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

LLM snippets are not clarity.

Knowing how a person is compared to everyone else is always better. 

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3 hours ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

If the google says it’s true, it’s true. 

Not even what that's about. Moreover, remember that search engines are a tool.

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

PFF grades aren't stats.

You're correct (on its face).

3 hours ago, Icege said:

Which stats were wrong?

But PFF does indeed use advanced stats to come up with their grades.

Not trying to turn this into a debate about PFF (at all because it's been done ad nauseum), but here is how PFF explains it:

 

GRADES VS. STATS
We aren’t grading players based on the yardage they rack up or the stats they collect. Statistics can be indicative of performance but don’t tell the whole story and can often lie badly. Quarterbacks can throw the ball straight to defenders but if the ball is dropped, you won't see it on the stat sheet. Conversely, they can dump the ball off on a sequence of screen passes and end up with a gaudy looking stat line if those skill position players do enough work after the catch.

PFF grades the play, not its result, so the quarterback that throws the ball to defenders will be downgraded whether the defender catches the ball to notch the interception on the stat sheet or not. No amount of broken tackles and yards after the catch from a bubble screen will earn a quarterback a better grade, even though his passing stats may be getting padded.

The same is true for most positions. Statistics can be misleading. A tackle whose quarterback gets the ball out of his hands quicker than anybody else may not give up many sacks, but he can still be beaten often and earn a poor grade. Receivers that are targeted relentlessly could post big-time numbers but may offer little more than the product of a volume-based aerial attack.

https://www.pff.com/grades

So PFF uses stats to come up with player grades and rankings.

 

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[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, TD alt said:

You're correct (on its face).

But PFF does indeed use advanced stats to come up with their grades.

Not trying to turn this into a debate about PFF (at all because it's been done ad nauseum), but here is how PFF explains it:

 

GRADES VS. STATS
We aren’t grading players based on the yardage they rack up or the stats they collect. Statistics can be indicative of performance but don’t tell the whole story and can often lie badly. Quarterbacks can throw the ball straight to defenders but if the ball is dropped, you won't see it on the stat sheet. Conversely, they can dump the ball off on a sequence of screen passes and end up with a gaudy looking stat line if those skill position players do enough work after the catch.

PFF grades the play, not its result, so the quarterback that throws the ball to defenders will be downgraded whether the defender catches the ball to notch the interception on the stat sheet or not. No amount of broken tackles and yards after the catch from a bubble screen will earn a quarterback a better grade, even though his passing stats may be getting padded.

The same is true for most positions. Statistics can be misleading. A tackle whose quarterback gets the ball out of his hands quicker than anybody else may not give up many sacks, but he can still be beaten often and earn a poor grade. Receivers that are targeted relentlessly could post big-time numbers but may offer little more than the product of a volume-based aerial attack.

https://www.pff.com/grades

So PFF uses stats to come up with player grades and rankings.

 

You might want to re-read that. They're specifically saying they DON'T use stats. They arbitrarily judge each play and then extrapolate that into a grade.

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18 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You might want to re-read that. They're specifically saying they DON'T use stats. They arbitrarily judge each play and then extrapolate that into a grade.

No, I have read too many things from PFF over the years; PFF specifically said that they use advanced statistics, but that statistics don't tell the entire story, which is why they came up with their system. At this point you're just being adversarial for no reason. Stats play a big role in what they do.

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And, for the record, PFF refers to its stats (and not just as a name):

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-pff-premium-stats-highlighting-all-of-pffs-advanced-metrics-and-grades

 

They don't grade "arbitrarily" either, they use their system.

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[Basbear]

The main deal with Prince is, how will pads affect his type of play?? Just like I feel pads will greatly help Nic scourton, I feel they will hurt Prince "practice" play dominance.

 

My deal is after years of straight up weak ass players playing soft, I more than welcome this confidence. He just needs to beware that its a thin line to cockiness and that's what you DO NOT want.  

 

I hope he does "break teppers pockets" in 3-4 years, I low key loved that line to the owner of ALL people....plus the fact its David Tepper the only 100% owner......I hope he's as good as he thinks he is.....

 

 

This is similar to hornets drafting all those gym rats, full effort rookies...... Panthers do have a loser mentality same as hornets. New blood can help change that, by the looks of everything....... Panthers have some rookies that are not going to fall in line with the loser sink of the past 6 years. I mean nearly everyone UDFAs, 2025 drafted class, and free agent class that's one hell of culture adjustment.  

 

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I mean, what are we arguing about here? I don't think anyone at this point (at least I hope) thinks that Icky is dog sh¡t. Now is he a top five OT in the league? No. Is that going to stop him from being paid like one? Maybe not if the nature of the beast---the business of player contracts and their negotiations within the context of recent history---comes into play. I think that we can all agree that Icky leaves a lot to be desired in pass pro, but is a beast in run blocking. Some suspect that he may be better as an OG, but the fact is is that even average LTs are hard to come by. As long as we don't have an elite LT, the belief that one is in the draft (and transcends other needs), the patience to wait for one to emerge, or the money and willingness to buy one, Icky is our best option. I think that we can all see that, regardless of PFF, right?

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