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[kungfoodude]

10 hours ago, Basbear said:

 

 

I 100% wanted AR15 over BY.

 

*I also stated AR need at the very very least to sit a whole NFL season, I was 100% with that as well.

colts named him starter before Panthers did with BY..

he needed a red shirt and who knows then with the right leadership.  

He will never be able to make it as an NFL QB. Maybe if he played some special teams and could catch he could be a poor man's Taysom Hill but that is about the extent of his ceiling. More likely than not, he will probably be permanently out of the NFL in 3-4 years.

[kungfoodude]

I do also want to point out that people STILL believe in Justin Fields despite the unbelievable amount of evidence he is completely incapable of being more than a gimmick, run first, check down QB. 

It is flabbergasting the amount of chances some of these busts get. 

[frankw]

8 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Now do Josh Allen.

Just saying. They were similar prospects except that Allen was even more wildly inaccurate.

There are similarities between the two in terms of trying to develop a raw passer. Allen's best season in college was with 56% completion. But unfortunately for AR he was even more raw and has apparently been pretty full of himself thinking he already arrived. And also the coaches were too willing to use him as a runner. All in all another example of ultimately squandering talent. All too common in this league.

[OldhamA]

46 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He will never be able to make it as an NFL QB. Maybe if he played some special teams and could catch he could be a poor man's Taysom Hill but that is about the extent of his ceiling. More likely than not, he will probably be permanently out of the NFL in 3-4 years.

They threw him to the wolves.

He needed to sit a year and rework his footwork. 

I wanted to sit at #9 and take him if he fell (he obviously didn't) - I didn't envision him being so fragile. 

[UnluckyforSome]

It's a step up in competition as well. The gap in athletic skill is narrowed from what was faced at the college level. 

Edited 5 hours ago by UnluckyforSome

[OldhamA]

8 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Josh Allen was not nearly as bad as AR-15.  Josh wasn't the most accurate passer in college, but he wasn't nearly as scatter shot as Richardson.  To make things worse, Anthony came out as a RSO.  Really young, inexperienced AND major accuracy issues? Big red flags for me.

Allen was borderline unplayable in College. 

He's an absolute unicorn in terms of his career panning out the way it has. 

[PantherChris]

10 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Now do Josh Allen.

Just saying. They were similar prospects except that Allen was even more wildly inaccurate.

Ehhhh except a lot of it was his refusal in college not to play hero ball..... 

The two things he greatly improved at the NFL level were his accuracy on the run and learning he didn't have to take the deep shot every play.

 

That said when taking a massive boom or bust athlete at QB the most important thing is their work ethic/coachability/desire to improve 

[PantherChris]

10 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Now do Josh Allen.

Just saying. They were similar prospects except that Allen was even more wildly inaccurate.

Ehhhh except a lot of it was his refusal in college not to play hero ball..... 

The two things he greatly improved at the NFL level were his accuracy on the run and learning he didn't have to take the deep shot every play.

 

That said when taking a massive boom or bust athlete at QB the most important thing is their work ethic/coachability/desire to improve 

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

They threw him to the wolves.

He needed to sit a year and rework his footwork. 

I wanted to sit at #9 and take him if he fell (he obviously didn't) - I didn't envision him being so fragile. 

I suspect it has a lot more to do with him just not doing the work.

He should have stayed in college for a couple of more seasons.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

Allen was borderline unplayable in College. 

He's an absolute unicorn in terms of his career panning out the way it has. 

Yeah, that's why I roll my eyes so hard when people throw out Allen with the Fields or AR situations. That is such an extreme outlier that there are few that rival them. One could certainly make an argument for Lamar Jackson(57% career passer in college) but I think some of that was scheme at Louisville. 

[Shotgun]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I do also want to point out that people STILL believe in Justin Fields despite the unbelievable amount of evidence he is completely incapable of being more than a gimmick, run first, check down QB. 

It is flabbergasting the amount of chances some of these busts get. 

32 teams with only about 6 or 7 good QBs will do that. Desperation is an ugly thing. lol

[PantherChris]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, that's why I roll my eyes so hard when people throw out Allen with the Fields or AR situations. That is such an extreme outlier that there are few that rival them. One could certainly make an argument for Lamar Jackson(57% career passer in college) but I think some of that was scheme at Louisville. 

Some of it was definitely scheme with Jackson like Allen he did a lot with his legs and when he did throw it was a lot of lower % passes.

 

Allen had zero talent around him and almost never threw passes with less than 15 air yards in college.... thats not gonna lead to a great %%

[PNW_PantherMan]

2 hours ago, OldhamA said:

Allen was borderline unplayable in College. 

He's an absolute unicorn in terms of his career panning out the way it has. 

Like trying to hit the next Tom Brady by drafting a QB in the 6th every year.  Not repeatable.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, PantherChris said:

Some of it was definitely scheme with Jackson like Allen he did a lot with his legs and when he did throw it was a lot of lower % passes.

 

Allen had zero talent around him and almost never threw passes with less than 15 air yards in college.... thats not gonna lead to a great %%

To be fair, some of those 30 yard passes were to receivers only 10 yards down field. LOL